Reply to: I'm getting fat and I know why....

[shaunbhoy]

I'm getting fat because I eat too much.

Must cut down on the fava beans & onion gravy.

It is not that doing the damage. It is eating all the crackling off the barbecued accountants that does it!

HTH

[EternalOptimist]

I shall give your yapping the respect it deserves.

Why , thank you kind sir.
There are fewer things more noble than a man graciously conceding defeat in a debate.
I accept

[sasguru]

so please allow me to have a little yap

I shall give your yapping the respect it deserves.

[EternalOptimist]

Being a sceptic doesn't mean you're not a total plonker.
Until you have the intellectual tools and the time and inclination to examine the evidence and make an informed judgement on it, your opinion has about as much worth as a yapping terrier.

I know I'm a total plonker, I said as much ^^, but as pj says, conduction from the sea goes in the other direction, there is little radiation for half the day in any event, and when you include evaporation it goes a long way to explain why sea surface temperatures are not rising and may even be falling.
Not to mention sea levels

just two more predictions that have failed to materialise, so please allow me to have a little yap

[d000hg]

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Very dangerous, and you're a supposed scientist.

Really? My bathroom's got a handy scientific IR lamp, wired in to the ceiling. It's something like 90% efficient too and passes all modern housing regs.

[sasguru]

good point. well made.

I couldnt help noticing the motto of that site you linked to
'Nullius in Verba'
Take no ones word for it


thats what like - a healthy dose of scepticism

Being a sceptic doesn't mean you're not a total plonker.
Until you have the intellectual tools and the time and inclination to examine the evidence and make an informed judgement on it, your opinion has about as much worth as a yapping terrier's

[DimPrawn]

In the bathroom a better analogy would be what size of IR lamp would you need to suspend above the bath?

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Very dangerous, and you're a supposed scientist.

[EternalOptimist]

You should stop proving to the world what a plonker you are. Just saying, like.

good point. well made.

I couldnt help noticing the motto of that site you linked to
'Nullius in Verba'
Take no ones word for it


thats what like - a healthy dose of scepticism

[pjclarke]

my question is this - If you ran a cold bath and decided to heat the water by a couple of degrees, how hot would you have to the air in the bathroom and how long would it take

Irrelevant. The seas are warmed by absorbing radiation in the surface layer, not conduction (which is generally in the other direction). Greenhouse gases increase the heat transfer rate by decreasing the temperature gradient across the skin layer, reducing the heat loss from ocean to air.

RealClimate: Why greenhouse gases heat the ocean

In the bathroom a better analogy would be what size of IR lamp would you need to suspend above the bath?

[sasguru]

thanks for that SasGoru

You should stop proving to the world what a plonker you are. Just saying, like.

[EternalOptimist]

How long would it take to heat a bath with the air in a bathroom ?

I ran a few numbers through me lie chart calcumalator, and it pans out at 1 million degrees for a thousand years,
assuming my rubber duck acts a proxy feedback water vapour tree ring.

thanks for that SasGoru

[sasguru]

some irrelevant guff

HTH

You're like the pub bore banging on with phrases like ".. its common sense, innit ..." and "...stands to reason....", all the while not having a clue about anything.

[EternalOptimist]

Instead of listening to morons like EO, BB and DP* demonstrating their bias and ignorance, I suggest the interested observer read this:

http://royalsociety.org/uploadedFile...4294972962.pdf

HTH

*Face it guys, you're too stupid to understand this stuff.

I dont think you will find many sceptics who dont agree with the grenhouse effect. But they will disagree about the scale. It's a drop in the ocean

Let me ask you a question about 14, as you are a maths expert

"The nature of the climate system is determined by interactions between the moving
atmosphere and oceans, the land surface, the living world and the frozen world. The
rate at which heat is moved from the surface to the ocean depths is an important factor
in determining the speed at which climate can change in response to climate forcing."

my question is this - If you ran a cold bath and decided to heat the water by a couple of degrees, how hot would you have to the air in the bathroom and how long would it take ?

[sasguru]

Instead of listening to morons like EO, BB and DP* demonstrating their bias and ignorance, I suggest the interested observer read this:

http://royalsociety.org/uploadedFile...4294972962.pdf

HTH

*Face it guys, you're too stupid to understand this stuff.

[EternalOptimist]

True. There again you can turn clear glass any colour you like with the addition of elements at the rate of a few ppm. Or similarly alter the radiative properties of a planetary atmosphere by increasing the concentrations of greenhouse gases by a third ...

CO2 is just a trace gas

I love that.
That is exactly what I and many others have been saying for the last 10 years. What puzzles me is how two people can see the same facts and come to so different conclusions.

Fact - add a few molecules to glass and it changes colour. It's not homeopothy its a fact. It reproduceable. There are clear rules and predictions are possible, there is a lot of science in it.
It's falsifiable. If someone comes along and says 'I can change the glass into gold by adding three ppm of dog turd' its testable.



Every single prediction they have ever made has failed - I have listed some of them ^^^^