Reply to: Soldiers die in war

[shaunbhoy]

My partner is a serving Royal Marine. And having watching my him mourn the loss of his friends lost during his tours and the post traumatic stress suffered as a result of this war I think a bright light of reality needs to be shone on those who think they can fight a war, or oppose it indeed, from an arm chair.

Whilst I can see the view point that "these men knew what they were signing up to" that doesn't diminish our humane responsibility to show compassion and respect to those families and loved ones that are not only left behind but also suffer the agony of worry, each and every single day whilst our men and women are on tour.

I am far from liberal, however I do not believe anyone knows the true horror or sacrifice of what they are "signing up to"! And thank bloody god we don't, and for that we should be thankful!

We live in a democratic society and the choice to go to war is one that my partner does not make. He does not vote for the simple fact is he has signed his life to SERVE his country, not participate in the decision making. He comes from a long line of service men and that is what is in his blood. I cannot even get my head around this thought process or motivation to go to work, however at the very least I believe it should be accepted and appreciated.

He is one of the lucky ones, some simply have no other choice or options open to them given their education and opportunities available to them in their location or means of family support.

Whilst YOU choose to live in this democratic society YOU should choose to respect those that protect our freedom and democratic lives, regardless if you agree with the decisions made by those elected. Otherwise, you know where the door is. You also have the choice to oppose decisions by those elected but do not use those footmen carrying out the actions as scapegoats for your frustration.

This encapsulates my thoughts exactly. The freedoms that some enjoy, and use only to criticise, is paid for with the blood of those who selflessly serve.

[Churchill]

Anyways, hilarity and unwelcome intrusions aside for a moment.

RIP dead soldiers 6

They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
Straight of limb, true of eyes, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.

WEOS.

[Kelstar]

My point will always be though around media coverage. Watched the news tonight parade the photographs of our dead serviceman across the screen & make the point about how each one was individual & each had left loved ones behind. That same sentiment is not shared for the greater numbers who die by their hands who were also individuals & had loved ones.

We can politely agree to disagree on this one.

[MarillionFan]

Whilst YOU choose to live in this democratic society YOU should choose to respect those that protect our freedom and democratic lives, regardless if you agree with the decisions made by those elected. Otherwise, you know where the door is. You also have the choice to oppose decisions by those elected but do not use those footmen carrying out the actions as scapegoats for your frustration.

I completely agree. I have the utmost respect for out armed forces. Whereas it is something I toyed with, I never had the discipline required to undertake that particular career & kudos & respect to those who have.

My point will always be though around media coverage. Watched the news tonight parade the photographs of our dead serviceman across the screen & make the point about how each one was individual & each had left loved ones behind. That same sentiment is not shared for the greater numbers who die by their hands who were also individuals & had loved ones.

[SimonMac]

My partner is a serving Royal Marine. And having watching my him mourn the loss of his friends lost during his tours and the post traumatic stress suffered as a result of this war I think a bright light of reality needs to be shone on those who think they can fight a war, or oppose it indeed, from an arm chair.

Whilst I can see the view point that "these men knew what they were signing up to" that doesn't diminish our humane responsibility to show compassion and respect to those families and loved ones that are not only left behind but also suffer the agony of worry, each and every single day whilst our men and women are on tour.

I am far from liberal, however I do not believe anyone knows the true horror or sacrifice of what they are "signing up to"! And thank bloody god we don't, and for that we should be thankful!

We live in a democratic society and the choice to go to war is one that my partner does not make. He does not vote for the simple fact is he has signed his life to SERVE his country, not participate in the decision making. He comes from a long line of service men and that is what is in his blood. I cannot even get my head around this thought process or motivation to go to work, however at the very least I believe it should be accepted and appreciated.

He is one of the lucky ones, some simply have no other choice or options open to them given their education and opportunities available to them in their location or means of family support.

Whilst YOU choose to live in this democratic society YOU should choose to respect those that protect our freedom and democratic lives, regardless if you agree with the decisions made by those elected. Otherwise, you know where the door is. You also have the choice to oppose decisions by those elected but do not use those footmen carrying out the actions as scapegoats for your frustration.

What she said, in a way I could not come close to in term of elegance of word

[Kelstar]

My partner is a serving Royal Marine. And having watching my him mourn the loss of his friends lost during his tours and the post traumatic stress suffered as a result of this war I think a bright light of reality needs to be shone on those who think they can fight a war, or oppose it indeed, from an arm chair.

Whilst I can see the view point that "these men knew what they were signing up to" that doesn't diminish our humane responsibility to show compassion and respect to those families and loved ones that are not only left behind but also suffer the agony of worry, each and every single day whilst our men and women are on tour.

I am far from liberal, however I do not believe anyone knows the true horror or sacrifice of what they are "signing up to"! And thank bloody god we don't, and for that we should be thankful!

We live in a democratic society and the choice to go to war is one that my partner does not make. He does not vote for the simple fact is he has signed his life to SERVE his country, not participate in the decision making. He comes from a long line of service men and that is what is in his blood. I cannot even get my head around this thought process or motivation to go to work, however at the very least I believe it should be accepted and appreciated.

He is one of the lucky ones, some simply have no other choice or options open to them given their education and opportunities available to them in their location or means of family support.

Whilst YOU choose to live in this democratic society YOU should choose to respect those that protect our freedom and democratic lives, regardless if you agree with the decisions made by those elected. Otherwise, you know where the door is. You also have the choice to oppose decisions by those elected but do not use those footmen carrying out the actions as scapegoats for your frustration.

[Troll]

The Afghan people were being brutally oppressed by the regime before NATO, is it any better or worse now? I guess we wont know until the job is finished, and it must finish!

So what is the exit strategy, how do you define the job being finished?
NATO (America) has announced the withdraw of its forces by 2014- can't see the Taliban being a defeated force in two years time, and what will stop them taking over once the troops have left

Are we to rely on the infiltrated Afghan Army to maintain order?

[MarillionFan]

The Afghan people were being brutally oppressed by the regime before NATO, is it any better or worse now? I guess we wont know until the job is finished, and it must finish!

My point is, that the media never mourns for the
people we protect. Look at the Iraq war. The invasion called a travesty and close to a million dead. It never gets mentioned.

[SimonMac]

400 soldiers in 10 years, everyone
leaving a family behind - BBC

I wonder how many Afghanis?

The Afghan people were being brutally oppressed by the regime before NATO, is it any better or worse now? I guess we wont know until the job is finished, and it must finish!

[d000hg]

Peep Show

Correct but zoidy/zuidy won by PM.

[MarillionFan]

400 soldiers in 10 years, everyone
leaving a family behind - BBC

I wonder how many Afghanis?

[SimonMac]

Anyways, hilarity and unwelcome intrusions aside for a moment.

RIP dead soldiers 6

WEOS

[EternalOptimist]

Anyways, hilarity and unwelcome intrusions aside for a moment.

RIP dead soldiers 6

[SimonMac]

Shut it you piss-kidney, you big jizz-cock...

...rep to first person to identify the reference.

Peep Show

[d000hg]

zoidy wins