Reply to: Chancellor vows to ban 'one man firms'

[Mich the Tester]

Of course, it would never dawn on them to stop spending more money than the taxpayer can afford would it?

ftfy

[Platypus]

I'll bet many of them aren't "one man" firms anyway. I'm sure that spousal secretaries and co-directors are widely used.

So I suspect we'll end up with legislation that misses the intended mark anyway.

[Goatfell]

Well if he wanted to ban it within public sector - just issue an edict to all government departments "thou shalt not "employ" contractors" - simples.

Easy demarcation to make, but it would hit contractors that are employed at all levels in the public sector, quite a few of which are probably on CUK (is RBS considered public sector?).

Could it spur a rise in LLPs to avoid "one-man-band" status?

[d000hg]

But how do you differentiate? IR35? That works well!

It's heading for a throw the baby out with the bathwater solution.

If the company offers you a choice "how do you want to be paid", that's a good indicator. If you take a permanent position (no expected end date) rather than a temporary one, that's another.

[MrRobin]

We should be backing this, people who really are employees making the rest of us look bad. Contractors aren't employees who choose to work through a company, they are hired specifically NOT to be employees by the company.

But how do you differentiate? IR35? That works well!

It's heading for a throw the baby out with the bathwater solution.

[d000hg]

Chancellor George Osborne vows to ban 'one man firm' tax dodge | Mail Online

We should be backing this, people who really are employees making the rest of us look bad. Contractors aren't employees who choose to work through a company, they are hired specifically NOT to be employees by the company.

[petergriffin]

"Of course, it would never dawn on them to instead allow PAYE workers to also claim the cost of getting to and from work against tax, would it?

You mean like in Switzerland?"


Indeed. Your home has a postcode and your workplace has a postcode. I thought all these IT boffins on here would have a system ready to go by now :-)

In the Netherlands all PAYE's get travel expenses refunded entirely if they use public transport or up to €130 a month by car or other private transport.

[TheFaQQer]

Press Complaints Commission >> Editors' Code of Practice >> Editors' Code

Can anyone be arsed?

Where's our resident PCG guy to explain what they are doing about it?

[BoredBloke]

I wouldn't waste your time.

I wasn't going to...I was outsourcing this to one of you lot.

[hyperD]

WHS. Wasn't Prisk one of the 'wipe IR35 of the statute books' brigade a few years ago (when he was still s***** c***s to get elected) ?

Yes.

Which is why you can't trust them. Any of them. Ever.

[TestMangler]

I wouldn't waste your time.

WHS. Wasn't Prisk one of the 'wipe IR35 of the statute books' brigade a few years ago (when he was still s***** c***s to get elected) ?

[Arturo Bassick]

Blaster and Scooter: I am fully con-formant with all German legislation. Problem is I work in the defence sector and my biggest client is EADS. They have been burned for millions of Euros in the last few years because the tax man investigated the contracts of their "freelancers" many of whom were also con-formant. The tax man decided they were hidden employees and hit EADS for the NI.

I do know of some German companies who are at risk if the German tax man investigates them as are the "freelancers".

What I am trying (in my own clumsy way) to say is that there are a number of players in this little world of ours all trying to make as much money out of this as we can. Each player reacts to moves made by each of the others. Some players have more influence.
A common understanding between all parties and some acceptance of the reality would go a long way to resolving the issues which would mean all parties spending less time and money just to be con-formant. It may also mean that the work stops being farmed out abroad!

[hyperD]

It might be worth dropping a line to [email protected]

I wouldn't waste your time.

[BoredBloke]

It might be worth dropping a line to [email protected]

From his website

"After graduation, Mark worked in the property and economic development markets, rising to become a director of a £3m practice. In 1991 he left to form his own business consultancy, serving professional firms in both the UK and overseas. As a self-employed businessman (1991-2001), Mark advised a wide range of professional firms in the markets for property, construction and environmental services both in the UK and abroad."

A contractor MP - although I bet he simply follows the party line on this

[scooterscot]

To be honest on all the examples that have been publicised within Government they should all:-

1) have been subject to IR35
2) the person involved and the person who signed it off should be fired for Gross Misconduct because of 1.

If the latter was the case the government would not be in this mess over what is really a minor amount of money attached to a large amount of arrogance and rightful annoyance.