Reply to: Irans Big Nuclear News

[DodgyAgent]

Oh no you were being totally unbiased

I was being biased in what way? if being critical of extremist groups and regimes that sponsor and conduct terrorist activities is being biased then yes I am biased. You seem to be struggling with logic here.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Where did I refer to a particular religion?

Oh no you were being totally unbiased

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

You need to read up on Jewish ideology, mate.

I think I get what you mean there....

[DodgyAgent]

I don't have an issue with denouncing the people who preach hatred and violence but I do have a problem with generalisation and "painting everybody with the same brush" just because the fall under a particular religious denomination. When you visit countries in the middle-east, Malaysia, North Africa etc you will realise that the media is putting every effort into making people like yourself and others feel hate towards certain religions and people. And by the looks of the responses on the forum they have done a damn good job.

Where did I refer to a particular religion?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I may not be the Pope or AJP Taylor but I do have an understanding of human nature. If you look at the organisations behind the terror campaigns against the West and Israel they have one thing in common and that is the suppression of women. Their objections are that the freedoms that we so take for granted are to them horrific in that they undermine the fear that they impose upon their own people. Unfortunately we have too many people like you with a competely distorted sense of moral equivalence that give false creedence to these people (who are just as happy to kill their own people as they are "westerners") and their behaviour.

You said it yourself that their values and political aims are not much different to those imposed by Christianity 100 years ago. They are the ones that need to move on rather than we move back 100 years to suit them.

I don't have an issue with denouncing the people who preach hatred and violence but I do have a problem with generalisation and "painting everybody with the same brush" just because the fall under a particular religious denomination. When you visit countries in the middle-east, Malaysia, North Africa etc you will realise that the media is putting every effort into making people like yourself and others feel hate towards certain religions and people. And by the looks of the responses on the forum they have done a damn good job.

[DodgyAgent]

Risky too...

You could die and end up in Valhalla,

Or be sent to hell for eating meatballs and spaghetti.

Once you start looking closely blowing yourself up looks horribly complicated

[KimberleyChris]

Risky too...

You could die and end up in Valhalla,

Or be sent to hell for eating meatballs and spaghetti.

[DodgyAgent]

Yep. It's 72 RC nuns. All armed with kalashnikovs, aimed at your nuts.

I often wonder that when you go to heaven do you actually feel anything?
and if you will only find virgins in heaven and then go and shag one of them are they then immediately transported to hell?
before I blew myself up I would want answers to these questions.

[NotAllThere]

Indeed.

Just imagine being surrounded by 72 cock dodging virgins.

Sounds like hell to me.

Yep. It's 72 RC nuns. All armed with kalashnikovs, aimed at your nuts.

[DodgyAgent]

Given there are a sect of Muslims that preach that kind of hatred and have a disgraceful ideology. I think you are being narrow minded in the way you say others treat women - things have changed a lot in the last 50-100 years in the West. I was referring to those who see their own children and family slaughtered and then "lose it". The specific ideology you refer to is an evil one but it is a political one that is pretty recent in historic terms and only appeared over the last century or so.... It is one that uses religion to achieve political aims and is not much different to Christianity a few 100 years ago. The fact you use that as a point shows you know little about religion and it's history.

I may not be the Pope or AJP Taylor but I do have an understanding of human nature. If you look at the organisations behind the terror campaigns against the West and Israel they have one thing in common and that is the suppression of women. Their objections are that the freedoms that we so take for granted are to them horrific in that they undermine the fear that they impose upon their own people. Unfortunately we have too many people like you with a competely distorted sense of moral equivalence that give false creedence to these people (who are just as happy to kill their own people as they are "westerners") and their behaviour.

You said it yourself that their values and political aims are not much different to those imposed by Christianity 100 years ago. They are the ones that need to move on rather than we move back 100 years to suit them.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

If you want to understand what is behind this hatred of the West then it is very simple:
You will find that women are central to the cause of why suicide bombers kill themselves. If you read the psychology that is used they are persuaded to kill themselves by being promised that they will be rewarded with a bunch of nubile virgins tending to their every need in heaven.
And that essentially is it. What the west is doing is undermining the misogyny behind the versions of religion that these people are using to control their populations. The Israelis, the British and the Americans do not imprison or subjugate their women.

Given there are a sect of Muslims that preach that kind of hatred and have a disgraceful ideology. I think you are being narrow minded in the way you say others treat women - things have changed a lot in the last 50-100 years in the West. I was referring to those who see their own children and family slaughtered and then "lose it". The specific ideology you refer to is an evil one but it is a political one that is pretty recent in historic terms and only appeared over the last century or so.... It is one that uses religion to achieve political aims and is not much different to Christianity a few 100 years ago. The fact you use that as a point shows you know little about religion and it's history.

[KimberleyChris]

by being promised that they will be rewarded with a bunch of nubile virgins tending to their every need in heaven.

That's not heaven!!!
Heaven is having a bunch of nubile sluts tending to your needs :-)

[DodgyAgent]

That is what makes me so furious sometimes - if some of the Palestinians turn out to be terrorists then perhaps you should ask why rather than just dismiss them as some kind of Alien breed. The history of people in the Middle East is full of terrorism and that includes Muslims, Christians and Jews - yet all the focus is on one group and it seems that many of the victims of discrimination and ethnic cleansing are now implementing it, while you would have thought the opposite would be the case..

If you want to understand what is behind this hatred of the West then it is very simple:
You will find that women are central to the cause of why suicide bombers kill themselves. If you read the psychology that is used they are persuaded to kill themselves by being promised that they will be rewarded with a bunch of nubile virgins tending to their every need in heaven.
And that essentially is it. What the west is doing is undermining the misogyny behind the versions of religion that these people are using to control their populations. The Israelis, the British and the Americans do not imprison or subjugate their women.

[Churchill]

That is what makes me so furious sometimes - if some of the Palestinians turn out to be terrorists then perhaps you should ask why rather than just dismiss them as some kind of Alien breed. The history of people in the Middle East is full of terrorism and that includes Muslims, Christians and Jews - yet all the focus is on one group and it seems that many of the victims of discrimination and ethnic cleansing are now implementing it, while you would have thought the opposite would be the case..

You need to read up on Jewish ideology, mate.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Er. That's actually more or less true.

Ish.

And one of the terrorists eventually got the Nobel Peace Prize.

Sometimes life is so surreal that you couldn't make it up.

Much like when Kissinger got one too.

That is what makes me so furious sometimes - if some of the Palestinians turn out to be terrorists then perhaps you should ask why rather than just dismiss them as some kind of Alien breed. The history of people in the Middle East is full of terrorism and that includes Muslims, Christians and Jews - yet all the focus is on one group and it seems that many of the victims of discrimination and ethnic cleansing are now implementing it, while you would have thought the opposite would be the case..