Reply to: Send the bugger back

[Old Greg]

This jihad business reminds me of Bush's comment about 'this crusade, this war against terrorism'. Funny how 'crusade' can mean anything from campaigning for moor lollipop ladies to bombing the hell out of a country. Maybe 'jihad' is similar.

As for this guy. He should obviously be put on trial for whatever crimes he has committed.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Let's not deport Abu Qatada to Jordan. He was born in Bethlehem, which is now in Israel. Maybe we could send him there, and see how the Israelis look after him.

[Churchill]

So what concessions should we give to Al Qaeda then?

They do not want peace negotiations. To them this is part of a religious crusade, mainly fuelled by our standpoint on the Israel/Palestine issue.

FFS, don't mention the word "Crusade", it has all sorts of connotations

[KimberleyChris]

The definition of war is not limited to nations only. For example 'civil war'.

Regardless of motive; if any organised body or group take up arms against another, then that is Warfare.

In this case it is a mixture of Terrorism and 'Asymmetric Warfare'.

'Armed Jihad' is their term, not ours.

[doomage]

Can he not just be deported to Brussels? The EC to like him more than we do. win-win.

[KimberleyChris]

So its open to interpretation? Just like our laws and those laid down by the ECHR, shirley a better use of your time would be to try and change the views of those who make the decision rather than spout nonsense on an internet forum. You don't like the law, what are you doing about it? You have a choice, a political approach or a campaign of (keyboard) terrorism against anyone who will listen.

1. Don't call me Shirley.

2. Pot...Kettle...Black.

[SimonMac]

True. It can refer to anything from an inner moral struggle upwards.

In this case, Jihad means bombs and civilian airliners being flown into skyscrapers.

So its open to interpretation? Just like our laws and those laid down by the ECHR, shirley a better use of your time would be to try and change the views of those who make the decision rather than spout nonsense on an internet forum. You don't like the law, what are you doing about it? You have a choice, a political approach or a campaign of (keyboard) terrorism against anyone who will listen.

[d000hg]

The third Geneva Convention ("Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War") covers members of the armed forces who fall into enemy hands.

Even if we were at war (it's not capitalised), terrorists are not members of the armed forces.

Jihad = 'Holy War", therefore it is, as far as they are concerned, a War.

But we use the definition we use, not the one they use. They're not a nation, they don't have an armed force, ergo they are criminals.

[Doggy Styles]

Our own rule of law said he should be deported.

Indeed it did.

And as for the ECHR, what about my human rights with this bleeder on the loose?

[KimberleyChris]

In Modern Standard Arabic, jihad is one of the correct terms for a struggle for any cause, violent or not, religious or secular.

True. It can refer to anything from an inner moral struggle upwards.

In this case, Jihad means bombs and civilian airliners being flown into skyscrapers.

[gingerjedi]

In Modern Standard Arabic, jihad is one of the correct terms for a struggle for any cause, violent or not, religious or secular.

Oh come on, they don't use the term to describe getting a sofa up some stairs.

[SimonMac]

Jihad = 'Holy War", therefore it is, as far as they are concerned, a War.

In Modern Standard Arabic, jihad is one of the correct terms for a struggle for any cause, violent or not, religious or secular.

[KimberleyChris]

Jihad = 'Holy War", therefore it is, as far as they are concerned, a War.

[gingerjedi]

True, however our rule of law also states that he can appeal to the ECHR which can over rule out law.

Which our law makers are getting increasingly frustrated about, it's not just this case.

[KimberleyChris]

Here are the rules. In this case they would be our ONLY moral obligation to a member of a foreign force who refused repatriation/deportation.

The third Geneva Convention ("Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War") covers members of the armed forces who fall into enemy hands. They are in the power of the enemy State, not of the individuals or troops who have captured them


Prisoners of war MUST be:

- Treated humanely with respect for their persons and their honour.
- Enabled to inform their next of kin and the Central Prisoners of War Agency (ICRC, the International Red Cross) of their capture.
- Allowed to correspond regularly with relatives and to receive relief parcels.
- Allowed to keep their clothes, feeding utensils and personal effects.
- Supplied with adequate food and clothing.
- Provided with quarters not inferior to those of their captor's troops.
- Given the medical care their state of health demands.
- Paid for any work they do.
- Repatriated if certified seriously ill or wounded, (but they must not resume active military duties afterwards) .
- Quickly released and repatriated when hostilities cease.