Reply to: Global Warming 'innit?

[KimberleyChris]

The entire point is the atmosphere is what protects us against fluctuations by the sun in the first place. So kind of the opposite to your suggestion it's all the sun's fault.

Hmm, I wonder if anyone ever calculated how long we could manage if the sun went out, before it got too cold. (The Black Cloud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia doesn't count ). Would it be days, weeks or months.

Nope, It protects us from harmful radiation, but does not have enough 'inertia' to protect us from long-term changes in solar output. It just responds to them.

The atmosphere would be too cold for mammals in just a few days, and would freeze to a liquid in a week or two. The fish might last a bit longer because the oceans have 'thermal inertia' and would freeze from the top down over maybe months.

[pjclarke]

Just because the alarmists said Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent

So you really are still touting a single decade-old tulip newspaper article? By a human rights journalist no less. In preference to thousands of actual studies? Is that really all you have?

BP oil spills and an end to snow - YouTube About 3 minutes in.

[DimPrawn]

The entire point is the atmosphere is what protects us against fluctuations by the sun in the first place. So kind of the opposite to your suggestion it's all the sun's fault.

Hmm, I wonder if anyone ever calculated how long we could manage if the sun went out, before it got too cold. (The Black Cloud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia doesn't count ). Would it be days, weeks or months.

If The Sun Went Out, How Long Would Life On Earth Survive? | Popular Science

[d000hg]

The entire point is the atmosphere is what protects us against fluctuations by the sun in the first place. So kind of the opposite to your suggestion it's all the sun's fault.

Hmm, I wonder if anyone ever calculated how long we could manage if the sun went out, before it got too cold. (The Black Cloud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia doesn't count ). Would it be days, weeks or months.

[DimPrawn]

Well, mercury has no atmosphere to speak of, and venus has a massively-dense CO2 atmosphere. They call it a 'runaway greenhouse effect'.

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Do they still get snow in winter, or is that a thing of the past?

What do the models say or do we need another £billion for a new supercomputer and 1st class trips to the Maldives for a Climate Summit before we can be sure the science is settled?

[KimberleyChris]

That your model of a planet as a rock near a 100W bulb is so woefully inaccurate as to be useless. Venus is hotter than Mercury but is twice as far from the sun

Well, mercury has no atmosphere to speak of, and venus has a massively-dense CO2 atmosphere. They call it a 'runaway greenhouse effect'.

I refer you to Page 64 of 'The Boy's Book of Space' - 1963 edition.

[d000hg]

That your model of a planet as a rock near a 100W bulb is so woefully inaccurate as to be useless. Venus is hotter than Mercury but is twice as far from the sun

[KimberleyChris]

Go and visit Mars, Venus and our moon and let us know what you find out.

Go on, save me the trip. What did you find out when you went??

Have those ice caps stopped melting on Mars yet??

[d000hg]

They rusted away

[DimPrawn]

Go and visit Mars, Venus and our moon and let us know what you find out.

Mars was destroyed by global warming yet no space probe has ever found trace of a 4x4.....curious.....

[d000hg]

Well, even if they are crashing, lets look for the culprit.

The temperature of space is about two degrees above absolute zero...let's say minus 271 degrees C. That's the temperature that the earth would fall to if the sun simply went out.

Add that to the average temperature on Earth (let's say 15 degrees C for the sake of argument) and that means that the Sun makes the Earth 286 degrees hotter than it would be without. Not 285, or 287, but exactly rock-steady at 286 for thousands of years.

Global warming on Earth has nothing to do with the Sun, of course :-)

Go and visit Mars, Venus and our moon and let us know what you find out.

[KimberleyChris]

I will believe...I will believe...They know what is best for me...I am guilty of wrongthink...I need to have it repeated to me over and over until I believe.

[DimPrawn]

Well, even if they are crashing, lets look for the culprit.

The temperature of space is about two degrees above absolute zero...let's say minus 271 degrees C. That's the temperature that the earth would fall to if the sun simply went out.

Add that to the average temperature on Earth (let's say 15 degrees C for the sake of argument) and that means that the Sun makes the Earth 286 degrees hotter than it would be without.

Global warming on Earth has nothing to do with the Sun, of course :-)

And the last ice age ended because all the mammoths and sabre-toothed tigers started driving around in 4x4s

Question; Why are the arctic and antarctic still awash with climate scientists, when the politicians seem to already know for certain what causes it?

Okay come on, fess up.

Which oil company bribed you into saying that?

Just because the alarmists said Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent and the climate models backed it up, and then it turned cold and they said Cold Winters Driven By Global Warming : Discovery News and the climate models backed it up, and then UK Weather: Warmest Winter On Record As Britain Gears Up For Weekend 'Hotter Than Turkey' and so they had to delete the latest models and retrieve the old ones from backup tape....

Meanwhile Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire - Telegraph and BBC News - Six jailed over tax evasion in carbon permit trade if you don't "believe"

[KimberleyChris]

Well, even if they are crashing, lets look for the culprit.

The temperature of space is about two degrees above absolute zero...let's say minus 271 degrees C. That's the temperature that the earth would fall to if the sun simply went out.

Add that to the average temperature on Earth (let's say 15 degrees C for the sake of argument) and that means that the Sun makes the Earth 286 degrees hotter than it would be without. Not 285, or 287, but exactly rock-steady at 286 for thousands of years.

Global warming on Earth has nothing to do with the Sun, of course :-)

And the last ice age ended because all the mammoths and sabre-toothed tigers started driving around in 4x4s

Question; Why are the arctic and antarctic still awash with climate scientists, when the politicians seem to already know for certain what causes it?

[DimPrawn]

Phew!

Had me worried for a minute!