Reply to: Suarez...

[AtW]

Source: Sir Alex Ferguson questions need for Luis Suarez peace talks | Mail Online

He looks quite pleased with himself...

[AtW]

I hope so, dropped from England permanently too with any luck.

If he is convicted it might really cost him a lot.

[Mr.Whippy]

Now Terry might really get it if found guilty.

I hope so, dropped from England permanently too with any luck.

[AtW]

Suarez been treated extremely harshly.

Now Terry might really get it if found guilty.

Suarez acted like a complete tweet in aftermath and totally deserves the punishment - if anything making an example of him by banning from being a big club footballer in the world would have sent the right signal.

[Mr.Whippy]

Suarez admitted to have used that word at least once -

"Suraez's defence was that he used the word 'negro' only once and that it was when Evra is alleged to have said to him: 'Don't touch me, South American.' Suarez said he had replied: 'Por que, negro,' or 'Why, black?'"

judging by the (MASSIVE) over-reaction to poor old Alan Hansen's use of the word "coloured" it's clearly OK to say "black" these days....

The whole racism thing is becoming tired. People getting offended just for the sake of getting offended these days.

Suarez been treated extremely harshly. Can't wait to see what Terry gets..............

[AtW]

That doesn't really tell the full story. You need to read the full 113 page report the FA issued to see it is Suarez's word against Evra.

I am sure very well paid Liverpool's lawyers read every page and so far no appeals forthcoming...

[Basil Fawlty]

Suarez admitted to have used that word at least once -

"Suraez's defence was that he used the word 'negro' only once and that it was when Evra is alleged to have said to him: 'Don't touch me, South American.' Suarez said he had replied: 'Por que, negro,' or 'Why, black?'"

Source:

Luis Suarez evidence 'unreliable' and 'inconsistent: FA release details of race row | Mail Online

It's not one man's word against the other.

That doesn't really tell the full story. You need to read the full 113 page report the FA issued to see it is Suarez's word against Evra. Assuming you have a life though and aren't going to read it now here is the key difference they had to decide upon :

"Do we accept Mr Suarez's evidence that he used the word "negro" only once when he said to Mr Evra "Por que,negro?" ("Why, black?"), which was used in a conc...iliatory and friendly way that is customary in Uruguay? Or, do we accept Mr Evra's evidence that Mr Suarez used the word "negro" five times in the goalmouth when he said to Mr Evra "Porque tu eres negro"("Because you are black"), "No hablo con negros" ("I don't speak with blacks"), and "Dale,negro, negro, negro" ("Okay, blackie, blackie, blackie)?"

Sadly I don't have much of a life and did read the whole report and I cannot believe they have found him guilty. Evra's version of events supposedly occurs on the goal line and there were numerous players around them at the time, including his team mates and Spanish National De Gea, not one of them heard this exchange.

So not only have they taken Evra's word over that of Suarez, they've taken it without any evidence whatsoever, and given Evra's history with this sort of thing you'd have thought they'd at least have tried to be a bit more conciliatory with the punishment.

Interestingly Dirk Kuyt testified that he was 100% certain he heard Suarez say to the ref that he had only booked him because he was black. Again the FA completely discounted this despite the ref admitting he did not hear what Evra said. It really does make you think Liverpool have got a point about the FA having decided which way this was going to go right from the start....

[stek]

He is not in a court of law - the level of proof required to kick him out of the game is much lower, it is sufficient just to say some public words about referees to get fined/banned.

Personally I think in sports any swearwords and insults should be dealt with harshly regardless of whether they are racists or not - can you see golf players swearing at each other or judges? It's unsporting and should be punished very harshly.

Come on Alyoshen’ka, if you've played the game, footy or Rugger, the stuff that gets said, Christ I've been threatened with a twatting after the game, that someone will 'shag the arse' of my missus, watch out for a 'knock on the door', certainly now if this Suarez thing is to go off, threatening behaviour - but of course, racism is far worse than that....

But of course you will know that in Russia swearing in general is almost forbidden unless u r from the Bratok' class...

[AtW]

In a court of law this would have been thrown out.

He is not in a court of law - the level of proof required to kick him out of the game is much lower, it is sufficient just to say some public words about referees to get fined/banned.

Personally I think in sports any swearwords and insults should be dealt with harshly regardless of whether they are racists or not - can you see golf players swearing at each other or judges? It's unsporting and should be punished very harshly.

[stek]

Suarez admitted to have used that word at least once -

"Suraez's defence was that he used the word 'negro' only once and that it was when Evra is alleged to have said to him: 'Don't touch me, South American.' Suarez said he had replied: 'Por que, negro,' or 'Why, black?'"

Source:

Luis Suarez evidence 'unreliable' and 'inconsistent: FA release details of race row | Mail Online

It's not one man's word against the other.

I think the issue is is the word 'negro' racist? I think not, but I am old. W*g, n*gg*r, wop, Spic, kraut, polak, Frog, they are all not nice, but some have taken on a more serious meaning, and that's to do with colour, but colour is just colour, religion is just religion, notice how I felt compelled to star certain ones out, that's not cos of racism. that cos a fear of racism.

[FiveTimes]

Suarez admitted to have used that word at least once -

"Suraez's defence was that he used the word 'negro' only once and that it was when Evra is alleged to have said to him: 'Don't touch me, South American.' Suarez said he had replied: 'Por que, negro,' or 'Why, black?'"

Source:

Luis Suarez evidence 'unreliable' and 'inconsistent: FA release details of race row | Mail Online

It's not one man's word against the other.

He's not denying what was said, he is denying the context it was used in, the number of times it was used, the fact he didn't' instigate it.
In a court of law this would have been thrown out.

[stek]

I don't think lucky is getting an 8 match ban on one mans word against another

Exactly! One word, positive discrimination. Terry will suffer too but he's as guilty as hell before anyone starts!

ITK...

[AtW]

I don't think lucky is getting an 8 match ban on one mans word against another

Suarez admitted to have used that word at least once -

"Suraez's defence was that he used the word 'negro' only once and that it was when Evra is alleged to have said to him: 'Don't touch me, South American.' Suarez said he had replied: 'Por que, negro,' or 'Why, black?'"

Source:

Luis Suarez evidence 'unreliable' and 'inconsistent: FA release details of race row | Mail Online

It's not one man's word against the other.

[FiveTimes]

As I said Suarez is very lucky he is not in Terry's shoes.

I don't think lucky is getting an 8 match ban on one mans word against another

[AtW]

wrong - criminal case against terry was because a member of the public reported it. Plus there is hard evidence of what was said.

As I said Suarez is very lucky he is not in Terry's shoes.