Reply to: Assisted dying

[BrilloPad]

Generally speaking that is the case. But before I met Mrs BP she was a carer. Her first patient was former head of DWP - used to report to Gordon Brown. She had that curvature of the spine thingy. She was left in one place for too long - getting bed sores. Mrs BP turned up as often as possible to move her. If that is what happens for someone with money, I suspect there are more poor people who get worse treatment. I like to think the are the exceptions though, and the majority are well looked after.

I do hope that my above statement is correct - BBC News - Evidence of neglect at Partridge Care Centre in Harlow uncovered

[BrilloPad]

that hospice care is, within the confines of the law, as good as is currently possible. To make the patients as comfortable as they can be while providing regular pain relief is the best they can do, and in my experience they do it well and with unparalleled, unflinching, dedication and compassion.

Generally speaking that is the case. But before I met Mrs BP she was a carer. Her first patient was former head of DWP - used to report to Gordon Brown. She had that curvature of the spine thingy. She was left in one place for too long - getting bed sores. Mrs BP turned up as often as possible to move her. If that is what happens for someone with money, I suspect there are more poor people who get worse treatment. I like to think the are the exceptions though, and the majority are well looked after.

[bobspud]

Firstly, my sincere condolences bobspud.

While I agree 100% with your post I think it's worth making the point that hospice care is, within the confines of the law, as good as is currently possible. To make the patients as comfortable as they can be while providing regular pain relief is the best they can do, and in my experience they do it well and with unparalleled, unflinching, dedication and compassion.

Having said that, I do believe that once a patient is admitted to a hospice they should have the right to request euthanasia while they are still able to do so. While, in the words of one of NickFitz's recent links (Hospice medical care for dying patients : The New Yorker), there's chance for you to have said goodbye or 'It’s O.K.' or 'I’m sorry' or 'I love you'.

Thanks.

The girls at the hospice were fantastic and apparently my mother was one of the better ends.

Your point is exactly what my mother wanted. She had said from day one that when the end became apparent then she wanted a swift end. However the best they could do was withdraw food (or a feeding tube in hear case) and wait... (10 days...)

I asked one of the nurses if fighting for euthanasia would go against what she wanted to do for a living. Her response was stark. "To anyone that thinks no one dies in pain here. I would like to invite them to spend six months on my ward.." sometimes morphine is not enough...

anyway today is sunny and it's time to go for a walk in the fields

[wobbegong]

We are always keen to oblige but our main targets are the feckers on the Boris bikes ! They are just asking for it

Being more serious. My mother passed away just before Christmas. She had been diagnosed with stomach and liver cancer last January. I sat next to her in a Hospice for 4 weeks waiting for her to die. In the end they "sedated" her because the salt build up in her brain sent her mad. She went from 15 sone to something more akin to a Jew in a prison camp. She had water build up in her lower torso and lost the use of her legs... Her final 24 hours were spent unconscious unable to move due to the massive amounts of morphine pumped into her. I sat and listened to her lungs filling up with fluid, blood and snot.

The only people I would wish that on are the total ******* morons that state that "hospice care" is adequate and no one needs to die in pain... If their ground to object to euthanasia are religious then I would like to ensure that it takes them 12 weeks to die instead of 4...

My first dog was diagnosed with cancer back in 2008. We thought he had swallowed a sock, however when the vet opened him up, he found legions all over the poor dogs organs. We never revived him.

Why my dog could have a more humain ending than my mother will be a source of serious hatred for the rest of my life....

I am not the first or the last person to go through this but the decision it needs to be removed from politicians and morons pedalling fake religions...

Firstly, my sincere condolences bobspud.

While I agree 100% with your post I think it's worth making the point that hospice care is, within the confines of the law, as good as is currently possible. To make the patients as comfortable as they can be while providing regular pain relief is the best they can do, and in my experience they do it well and with unparalleled, unflinching, dedication and compassion.

Having said that, I do believe that once a patient is admitted to a hospice they should have the right to request euthanasia while they are still able to do so. While, in the words of one of NickFitz's recent links (Hospice medical care for dying patients : The New Yorker), there's chance for you to have said goodbye or 'It’s O.K.' or 'I’m sorry' or 'I love you'.

[BrilloPad]

Being more serious...

Agree with everything you said Bob - but I think my kids would like to have me put down to get their hands on my money! In theory one would like to rely on the Judgment of one's friendly family GP - as long as he is not Dr Shipman!

[Churchill]

We are always keen to oblige but our main targets are the feckers on the Boris bikes ! They are just asking for it

Being more serious. My mother passed away just before Christmas. She had been diagnosed with stomach and liver cancer last January. I sat next to her in a Hospice for 4 weeks waiting for her to die. In the end they "sedated" her because the salt build up in her brain sent her mad. She went from 15 sone to something more akin to a Jew in a prison camp. She had water build up in her lower torso and lost the use of her legs... Her final 24 hours were spent unconscious unable to move due to the massive amounts of morphine pumped into her. I sat and listened to her lungs filling up with fluid, blood and snot.

The only people I would wish that on are the total ******* morons that state that "hospice care" is adequate and no one needs to die in pain... If their ground to object to euthanasia are religious then I would like to ensure that it takes them 12 weeks to die instead of 4...

My first dog was diagnosed with cancer back in 2008. We thought he had swallowed a sock, however when the vet opened him up, he found legions all over the poor dogs organs. We never revived him.

Why my dog could have a more humain ending than my mother will be a source of serious hatred for the rest of my life....

I am not the first or the last person to go through this but the decision it needs to be removed from politicians and morons pedalling fake religions...

POTD

[bobspud]

I drive a motorcycle to work. The roads are full of car drivers assisting my death for free.

We are always keen to oblige but our main targets are the feckers on the Boris bikes ! They are just asking for it

Being more serious. My mother passed away just before Christmas. She had been diagnosed with stomach and liver cancer last January. I sat next to her in a Hospice for 4 weeks waiting for her to die. In the end they "sedated" her because the salt build up in her brain sent her mad. She went from 15 sone to something more akin to a Jew in a prison camp. She had water build up in her lower torso and lost the use of her legs... Her final 24 hours were spent unconscious unable to move due to the massive amounts of morphine pumped into her. I sat and listened to her lungs filling up with fluid, blood and snot.

The only people I would wish that on are the total ******* morons that state that "hospice care" is adequate and no one needs to die in pain... If their ground to object to euthanasia are religious then I would like to ensure that it takes them 12 weeks to die instead of 4...

My first dog was diagnosed with cancer back in 2008. We thought he had swallowed a sock, however when the vet opened him up, he found legions all over the poor dogs organs. We never revived him.

Why my dog could have a more humain ending than my mother will be a source of serious hatred for the rest of my life....

I am not the first or the last person to go through this but the decision it needs to be removed from politicians and morons pedalling fake religions...

[BrilloPad]

Perfect law to sneak in legal gun ownership by the backdoor

Trust you to bring backdoor into this.

[nomadd]

And a game show where the winner gets an assisted death for free.

I drive a motorcycle to work. The roads are full of car drivers assisting my death for free.

[SimonMac]

Perfect law to sneak in legal gun ownership by the backdoor

Gun ownership is legal in the UK

[AtW]

Perfect law to sneak in legal gun ownership by the backdoor

[BrilloPad]

If someone says "ooh I would die for a drink" can you oblige and knife them.

No. But if they are dying for something to eat you can feed them cat stew.

[SimonMac]

Sorry but you are only allowed 3 CUK posters....

Does they have to be CUK Posters?

Can I not nominate Piers Morgan three times just to make sure the knut in dead

[BlasterBates]

If someone says "ooh I would die for a drink" can you oblige buy them a drink, and then knife them.

[MarillionFan]

If it's celebrity assisted dying I may watch. There may be a phone in