Reply to: The Facts and Fiction on Global Warming

[threaded]

Ah yes, I think I know the lady.



knew him



Doesn't an oblate spheroid have a flattened top rather than an extruded one?

I think the programme that I heard this on was QI, though I'm sure I've heard it before.

He imagined the pear on it's side...

[FrankScribe]

True, Columbus also likened the shape of the earth to a womans breast. (The nipple serving as the protrusion like on the pear).

Ah yes, I think I know the lady.

It's mentioned many times in his letters and by people who new him.

knew him

He was also sort of correct, the Earth isn't really a sphere more an oblate spheroid.

Doesn't an oblate spheroid have a flattened top rather than an extruded one?

I think the programme that I heard this on was QI, though I'm sure I've heard it before.

[Churchill]

The truth about "Global Warming" is that it keeps a lot of ecologists in jobs!

[threaded]

According to a programme on the box recently. No, they didn't.

The Egyptians, The Greeks, the medieaval (spelling?) monks etc were all capable of observing the curvature of the earth. It was said on that programme that Columbus actually thought the earth was pear shaped - Though I don't know the source of that nugget of information.

True, Columbus also likened the shape of the earth to a womans breast. (The nipple serving as the protrusion like on the pear)

It's mentioned many times in his letters and by people who new him.

He was also sort of correct, the Earth isn't really a sphere more an oblate spheroid.

[vista]

Oh Dear

I don't believe you're impartial in the slightest. You've got an agenda, just not the balls to be open about it, so instead you mask it by claiming neutrality but it's quite clear where your bias lies.

I'm quite happy to accept that 8 billion people living on the planet have an effect for the good or the bad purely because it stands to reason that we will have an effect.

What I'm not prepared to accept is the hysterical ranting of those predisposed to hysterical ranting ;-)

[FrankScribe]

Didn't people once get flayed alive for believing or suggesting that the world wasn't flat? at the time it didn't matter whether they were right or wrong what mattered was the behaviour of the people doing the flaying????

According to a programme on the box recently. No, they didn't.

The Egyptians, The Greeks, the medieaval (spelling?) monks etc were all capable of observing the curvature of the earth. It was said on that programme that Columbus actually thought the earth was pear shaped - Though I don't know the source of that nugget of information.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Last night we at xoggoth institute re-examined our fugures in the light of latest irrefutable evidence and it is 650'C rise in 30 years not 450. By the year 2103 the Earth will be a new sun. You doubters will be sorry then but it will be too late.

Look on the bright side, no more winter fuel bills.

Shine on You Crazy Diamond ...

[shaunbhoy]

If a scientist demonstated that GW was fiction, using reproducible methods, he would become famous overnight.

Very few are suggesting that GW is not happening, what is at issue is how much it is dependant upon we humans and our pesky carbon emissions.
GW has occurred cyclically for millions of years and done the planet no lasting damage. You lentil-munchers need to stop panicking so much and provide some quantifiable research results if you want to convince those of us capable of analysing things for ourselves.
I can't see that happening however as whipping up mass hysteria by carping on about extravagantly horrific scenarios is the best way to conjure up funding for continued "extensive research into GW" gravy trains.

[xoggoth]

So you don't think "probable" good enough to act on, even when then the consequences are so significant?

Nothing is ever absolutely certain so it seems to me that we should consider not just the probability but the cost of doing something vs likely consequences of doing nothing. Many of the "somethings" we need to do anyway,since reducing emissions equates to a considerable extent to saving energy.

[Board Game Geek]

Hmm....

After reading this thread, I am rapidly reaching the conclusion that the facts vary depending on who's version / interpretation you read.

Since there seems to be no definitive "this is the facts and they are 100% empirically correct", then I'm afraid I'll have to agree with the old tosser GV.

Probable outcomes are all very well and good...but they are just that...probable...and hence, have no credence in my mind.

I'm a bit fed up with wishy-washy, pseudo-scientists postulating ideas and hypotheses that are incorrect or motivated by non-scientific motives.

I expect scientists to calculate all probable and improbable outcomes, and come up with a well-considered analysis bereft of political prejudice....but evidence proves that they are incapable of doing so...ergo anything from a scientist's mouth is immediately suspect...

[xoggoth]

Last night we at xoggoth institute re-examined our fugures in the light of latest irrefutable evidence and it is 650'C rise in 30 years not 450. By the year 2103 the Earth will be a new sun. You doubters will be sorry then but it will be too late.

[snaw]

I don't believe you're impartial in the slightest. You've got an agenda, just not the balls to be open about it, so instead you mask it by claiming neutrality but it's quite clear where your bias lies.

[vista]

I understand

You do realise don't you that the current climate was created by life?

Once more for the hard of understanding, I do not need to understand the issues involved in GW because they are not clear cut and will not provide enlightenment, all I need to do is observe how the opposing camps behave and draw conclusions based on this evidence.

As someone in the middle not disbelieving or believing in the causes of increased GW (but isn't it so that without GW this planet would be baron, so aa degree of GW is essential and variance is tp be expected), I draw the conclusion that the believers have a weak case as to the causes of GW and the remedies based on the level of hysterical emotional outpourings.

As much as it may displease you, you are not the font of all knowledge, you may whole heartedly believe you are right and may marshall all the facts at your disposal to support this view but you may well be wrong and this refusal to accept you could be wrong produces a ferver that non-believers instinctively distrust before the facts are assessed, in fact you have a terrible approach to dealing with people so if by some wild happenstance you have stumbled upon some great truth it will be lost amongst the angst you create - real smart cookie.

[ratewhore]

I still say slap on the lotion and enjoy the sun.

[Fungus]

And this is exactly where we will end up, even our heroic scientists won't be able to save us.... The notion that the Earth cannot survive humanity is absurd.

You do realise don't you that the current climate was created by life?