Reply to: 1023 criminals released by mistake

[xoggoth]

Surely it would be much cheaper to keep unsuitable people out in the first place?

Requiring visas from all non EU countries and checking before boarding, more customs staff, more dogs and detecting equipment, must cost less than huge police operations to track them down in big cities and enormous court costs not to mention the costs to victims.

Also there are laws to fine companies for employing illegals - why aren't they used?

[Gold Dalek]

JOHN REID, the new home secretary, is facing a fresh crisis over foreign criminals after a senior immigration official revealed that more than half of the 1,023 released in error will remain at liberty on the streets of Britain.

The official, a senior figure with the Home Office’s Immigration and Nationality directorate (IND), disclosed that not one of the 1,023 has so far been forcibly deported.

As the fallout from the fiasco that led to the sacking of Reid’s predecessor, Charles Clarke, continued this weekend, the official said that the criminals would never be sent back because their home countries, such as Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Algeria and Sierre Leone were considered “too dangerous”.

“In about 60% of these cases we are never going to get rid of them . . . They are simply not going to go,” said the official.

The disclosure undermines claims by Tony Blair that ministers have now sorted out the weaknesses in the system. The prime minister told MPs last week that the system for deporting prisoners was “now working” and the “presumption” would be that all foreign criminals would “automatically” be deported.

But human rights lawyers and IND sources, who asked not to be named, said the promise was effectively meaningless because many countries were either deemed too dangerous or would refuse to accept the returnees.

[eternalnomad]

Ive never seen such a vitriolic reaction to nu labour on the BBC 'Have Your Say' pages... if you select the 'list by receommendations' option its quite staggering the complete contempt that people seem to feel for them at this time...

Not even the usual BBC tampering has managed to throw up even a single response in nu labours defence in the 10 or so pages ive read so far...

Let's hope the revelations this week are the 'tipping point' that ultimately leads to the downfall of these corrupt feckers.

The local elections next week will be the most interesting for many years.

[mcquiggd]

Ive never seen such a vitriolic reaction to nu labour on the BBC 'Have Your Say' pages... if you select the 'list by receommendations' option its quite staggering the complete contempt that people seem to feel for them at this time...

Not even the usual BBC tampering has managed to throw up even a single response in nu labours defence in the 10 or so pages ive read so far...

[hyperD]

This only goes to prove that you can never trust a man with a beard

Alan, Luton

[eternalnomad]

When they catch the (ex) criminals they should make them carry ID cards.

That would teach 'em !

[Gold Dalek]

Nice comment:

"Isn't this the same Charles Clarke who was quite outspoken in his views that senior executives in the private sector should "consider their position" and take responsibility for the failings of their companies?"

[DimPrawn]

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thre...20060426144900

Read the comments from the public.

ARE THEY FINALLY WAKING UP TO THE NEW LIE?

[threaded]

My comment is that part of the sentence handed down by the judges was that the miscreants are to be thrown out of the country when they complete their jail term.

The home office is obviously not complying with the sentences as handed down for their own political reasons which IMHO is contempt of court.

[The Lone Gunman]

There is a lot about this subject in the media at the moment and I have just listened to some dickhead on the news say that all the attention is wrong and that we are all just being racist as they had served their sentences and are no more of a danger than any other criminal. Comments from the panel?

Close but wrong. Part of the sentence for each of these was deportation. As I understood it. Otherwise completely correct.

It is difficult when the word of the day is "fair" to propose different treatment of criminals based on their nationality.
It is distinctly unfair that a foreigner can be imprisoned and deported when a local can only be imprisoned.
Having said that, it is my firm belief that all foreignors wishing to remain in the UK should have it as part of their conditions that they do not acquire a criminal record.

[eternalnomad]

There is a lot about this subject in the media at the moment and I have just listened to some dickhead on the news say that all the attention is wrong and that we are all just being racist as they had served their sentences and are no more of a danger than any other criminal. Comments from the panel?

They were guests in our country.

By committing a crime they lost any reasonable right to remain here - just as you would eject a guest from your house who decides to try and nick some of your stuff.

Race has nothing to do with it

As soon as they have served their time in nick, they should be transported from the prison to a plane with a one-way ticket.

Or beheaded !

[privateeye]

There is a lot about this subject in the media at the moment and I have just listened to some dickhead on the news say that all the attention is wrong and that we are all just being racist as they had served their sentences and are no more of a danger than any other criminal. Comments from the panel?

They need to say that in Reading where those girls were repeatedly raped, tortured and one finally killed - the other got away after being shot in the head. Some of those responsible were from the 1023

[xoggoth]

It's stating the obvious to most of us with any sense but racism is nothing to do with it, the problem is not because they are black or whatever but because they are not British citizens. We unfortunately have to put up with our own criminals, we have no such duty to foreign nationals.

There are too many blithering twits like this. You only have to look on the net for a short while to find those that think we should abolish all controls and allow free immigration. Quite how they think the entire peasant population of Bangladesh would manage to find jobs I have no idea.

[John Galt]

There is a lot about this subject in the media at the moment and I have just listened to some dickhead on the news say that all the attention is wrong and that we are all just being racist as they had served their sentences and are no more of a danger than any other criminal. Comments from the panel?

[PerlOfWisdom]

Here is faster way to do it: (1<<11)-1=1023

Note that I used only 1's there, this makes my solution more beautiful.

I wonder if, the next time they release rapists, murderers etc, the number will be able to be represented by just 2s