Reply to: Watching documentaries about the last unpleasantness on NHK

[shaunbhoy]

I thought that was the First World War and the sinking of the Lusitania...

Oh well...

I think Winnie had a bit of a track record of "forgetfulness". Not knocking it mind, for without such a ruthless fooker we might all be talking German now.

[Churchill]

The variation I heard was that Winston had been tipped off about it but neglected to pass it on to the Americans because he knew that it would be likely to draw them into the conflict. I doubt any of us will live long enough to find out the actual truth, but our kids might.

I thought that was the First World War and the sinking of the Lusitania...

Oh well...

[shaunbhoy]

No but there's the conspiracy theory that they were warned about Pearl Harbour, and let it happen to be able to get public opinion onside to enter the war against both Germany and Japan

The variation I heard was that Winston had been tipped off about it but neglected to pass it on to the Americans because he knew that it would be likely to draw them into the conflict. I doubt any of us will live long enough to find out the actual truth, but our kids might.

[amcdonald]

Would you not agree that America effectively forced Japan into war in order to secure its supplies of iron ore, steel and oil

No but there's the conspiracy theory that they were warned about Pearl Harbour, and let it happen to be able to get public opinion onside to enter the war against both Germany and Japan

[shaunbhoy]

consider what is being discussed

What is being discussed is your ridiculous suggestion that "America effectively forced Japan into war "

Utter tosh as others have also pointed out. Japanese Imperialist aggression did not need any coaxing on the part of the US.

If you are too dense to see that then that is your problem. But until the blindingly obvious starts to permeate through to the darkest depths of that miniscule brain of yours, best just carry on sitting in the corner with your Dunce's cap tightly fixed to your bonce.
And try and tone down the slobbering too, you are frightening sasguru!

HTH

[Cliphead]

Blah, blah, blah...

HTH

Kettle meet pot...

[Troll]

It is only prevalent when you post, and as is the norm for your semi-literate gruntings, far from interesting.

During the 1930s, the Japanese military established almost complete control over the government. Many political enemies were assassinated, and communists persecuted. Indoctrination and censorship in education and media were further intensified. Navy and army officers soon occupied most of the important offices, including the one of the prime minister.

Already earlier, Japan followed the example of Western nations and forced China into unequal economical and political treaties. Furthermore, Japan's influence over Manchuria had been steadily growing since the end of the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05. When the Chinese Nationalists began to seriously challenge Japan's position in Manchuria in 1931, the Kwantung Army (Japanese armed forces in Manchuria) occupied Manchuria. In the following year, "Manchukuo" was declared an independent state, controlled by the Kwantung Army through a puppet government. In the same year, the Japanese air force bombarded Shanghai in order to protect Japanese residents from anti Japanese movements.

In 1933, Japan withdrew from the League of Nations since she was heavily criticized for her actions in China.

In July 1937, the second Sino-Japanese War broke out. A small incident was soon made into a full scale war by the Kwantung army which acted rather independently from a more moderate government. The Japanese forces succeeded in occupying almost the whole coast of China and committed severe war atrocities on the Chinese population, especially during the fall of the capital Nanking. However, the Chinese government never surrendered completely, and the war continued on a lower scale until 1945.

In 1940, Japan occupied French Indochina (Vietnam) upon agreement with the French Vichy government, and joined the Axis powers Germany and Italy. These actions intensified Japan's conflict with the United States and Great Britain which reacted with an oil boycott. The resulting oil shortage and failures to solve the conflict diplomatically made Japan decide to capture the oil rich Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) and to start a war with the US and Great Britain.




HTH

Now go and try and dig up a topic you at least have the slightest awareness of, and spare us all your one-dimensional retarded prognoses.

The more you post, the more your lack of education and insight become apparent.
At the very least refrain from making any more knee jerk postings & instead consider what is being discussed, and if you have a valid point you wish to make feel free to contribute instead of puerile name calling.

Better still, limit yourself to posts about football...

HTH

[shaunbhoy]

Interesting that lack of knowledge of history is so prevalent on this board

It is only prevalent when you post, and as is the norm for your semi-literate gruntings, far from interesting.

During the 1930s, the Japanese military established almost complete control over the government. Many political enemies were assassinated, and communists persecuted. Indoctrination and censorship in education and media were further intensified. Navy and army officers soon occupied most of the important offices, including the one of the prime minister.

Already earlier, Japan followed the example of Western nations and forced China into unequal economical and political treaties. Furthermore, Japan's influence over Manchuria had been steadily growing since the end of the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-05. When the Chinese Nationalists began to seriously challenge Japan's position in Manchuria in 1931, the Kwantung Army (Japanese armed forces in Manchuria) occupied Manchuria. In the following year, "Manchukuo" was declared an independent state, controlled by the Kwantung Army through a puppet government. In the same year, the Japanese air force bombarded Shanghai in order to protect Japanese residents from anti Japanese movements.

In 1933, Japan withdrew from the League of Nations since she was heavily criticized for her actions in China.

In July 1937, the second Sino-Japanese War broke out. A small incident was soon made into a full scale war by the Kwantung army which acted rather independently from a more moderate government. The Japanese forces succeeded in occupying almost the whole coast of China and committed severe war atrocities on the Chinese population, especially during the fall of the capital Nanking. However, the Chinese government never surrendered completely, and the war continued on a lower scale until 1945.

In 1940, Japan occupied French Indochina (Vietnam) upon agreement with the French Vichy government, and joined the Axis powers Germany and Italy. These actions intensified Japan's conflict with the United States and Great Britain which reacted with an oil boycott. The resulting oil shortage and failures to solve the conflict diplomatically made Japan decide to capture the oil rich Dutch East Indies (Indonesia) and to start a war with the US and Great Britain.




HTH

Now go and try and dig up a topic you at least have the slightest awareness of, and spare us all your one-dimensional retarded prognoses.

[Churchill]

He did used to run it

Piss up in a brewery springs to mind.

Anyway, I'm enjoying the history lesson, by all means carry on.

[Spacecadet]

Oh, this is your forum now, is it?

Thought not.

He did used to run it

[Churchill]

No-one was talking to you, talking about you, now f**k off there's a good fellow.

Oh, this is your forum now, is it?

Thought not.

If you have something to add to the topic then by all means do so. However if all you wish to do is foment an argument then you may as well piss off.

MF, you're a waste of oxygen and I'm not surprised your Mrs feigns sleep when you're around because you're so incredibly predictable and boring.

[MarillionFan]

Dont't talk sh!te and take your tongue out of Troll's arse.

No-one was talking to you, talking about you, now f**k off there's a good fellow.

[Churchill]

Four posters pwned in one post. A record methinks.

Dont't talk sh!te and take your tongue out of Troll's arse.

[DaveB]

Not really, his quoted text backs up the assertion that Japan started the war in order to secure supplies of iron ore, steel and oil

WSCS.

The Japanese had designs on British territories in South East Asia. They feared that attacking them would provoke an American response so the decided to pre-empt that by taking out the US fleet at Pearl Harbour. At the time the Americans were still following an Isolationist policy and probably would not have come to Briatains aid had those territories been attacked.

[Spacecadet]

His question "Would you not agree that America effectively forced Japan into war in order to secure its supplies of iron ore, steel and oil "

His quotes, therefore back up the reasoning that the actions of the US forced the hand of Japan into attacking the US and effectively forcing them into the war.

ie. Backdown or you'll have to attack us.

Knowing that the likes of the Japanese high command are like Churchill(ie. saving face) then it's quite obvious they would attack.

Japan was attacking western interests in the far east without provocation, what do you expect America to do?