Reply to: Working for two companies at the same time

[EternalOptimist]

morals and contractual obligations aside. Give a friends details as a reference and ask him to cover for you

If you do go down this path, you will have to expect sleepless nights and endless anxiety attacks about where to spend all that extra lovely money

[TheFaQQer]

My employment contract is whatever I make it as I own the company I work for.

My companies contract with the client may forbid me from working for another client at the same time, I need to check, but I don't think it does.

If it does, then you are a pseudo-permie, and should be paying IR35 - they have too much control over you.

If you have a current client and want to take on another client, then there is nothing to stop you. Since you own the company, then it is up to you to state who your clients are in terms of getting a reference or not. Regardless of whether the current client checked them out, if you don't want to disclose them, then don't - what would a new client do if you had signed an NDA with the current one?

[stphnstevey]

My employment contract is whatever I make it as I own the company I work for.

My companies contract with the client may forbid me from working for another client at the same time, I need to check, but I don't think it does.

[vetran]

Your employment contract will almost certainly forbid secondary employment without the employers permission.

Again consider alternatives and diversify. If you can do it from home they can do it in India!

[stphnstevey]

Thanks and I have considered another interest that would fill this time and could give a return, such as property development, but it makes more sense and less risk to do something that I know I am good at.

I can't really do my profession on wkds or as a hobby as it requires a client and their product portfolio.

[TykeMerc]

So it's scenario 1. You plan to take another job, get paid for the 1st one, do it in the half the time and then do another job for someone else.

It's absolutely your choice, but frankly if you did that on my time, not only would I fire your ass instantly & I would give you a terrible reference. If this was a contract I'd sue you for breach.

If you're gonna do it. Keep it super super quiet. And that includes not being dumb enough to put it on your linked in or CV.

Same here. It's a different matter working evenings and weekends on a separate job, but charging client 1 while working on client 2's behalf would be taking the p1$$.

I was asked to do a spot of industrial business analysis for a local firm, I had some spare time in my current contract, told the Programme Manager that I was taking a day off as things were quiet and did the work.

[vetran]

Take heed to other posters.

Rather than go for a job in your employers time why not develop an interest or skill into something that pays.

Obviously you have to be careful if employed your employer owns your ideas associated with your employment but unrelated skills can turn a profit that they can't 'normally' touch so long as they don't pay towards it. So work evenings and weekend on your plan 'B'.

So if you work in IT create an application that is totally unrelated to your employment e.g. write an ipad app to control dieting or make needlepoint easy and enjoyable.

If you have hobbies say fishing start a fishing tackle shop online.

Maybe become a purveyor of fine furnishings.

Take some training and write articles for online sources to raise your profile in the industry so you can enhance your pay prospects.

If you have so much free time use it to play politics you will go further in permiedom doing that than you will by being any good.

Don't go for two jobs its likely you will end up with none. Sounds like you have a cushy number so enjoy it. Most permies including me currently spend most of their free time keeping their jobs.

[stphnstevey]

I know this, hence the reason I stated my current client would be unhappy

Again, this thread was not about the morals of doing it or whether you personally as a manager would be happy with it, but how I could get round the need for a reference issue

[MarillionFan]

I am very expereinced in what I do, having done it for the past 10 yrs, so it takes me half the time it would take a less experienced person. I am also only being paid the same rate as people not even half as experienced as myself and who are not as efficient at their job and take alot longer to complete tasks.

The client I work for judges that it would take 5 days a week to complete the work. If I can complete this to the same standard in a shorter period, I don't see a problem with this. However, I don't think my client would agree with me.

The morals of whether I do it or not is not the issue of this thread, but how I could do it

So it's scenario 1. You plan to take another job, get paid for the 1st one, do it in the half the time and then do another job for someone else.

It's absolutely your choice, but frankly if you did that on my time, not only would I fire your ass instantly & I would give you a terrible reference. If this was a contract I'd sue you for breach.

If you're gonna do it. Keep it super super quiet. And that includes not being dumb enough to put it on your linked in or CV.

[stphnstevey]

I am very expereinced in what I do, having done it for the past 10 yrs, so it takes me half the time it would take a less experienced person. I am also only being paid the same rate as people not even half as experienced as myself and who are not as efficient at their job and take alot longer to complete tasks.

The client I work for judges that it would take 5 days a week to complete the work. If I can complete this to the same standard in a shorter period, I don't see a problem with this. However, I don't think my client would agree with me.

The morals of whether I do it or not is not the issue of this thread, but how I could do it

[MarillionFan]

I am currently working from home full time for one company. I am finding I am having a fair bit of free time and would like to take on more work. I don't mind working longer hours and over wkds.

However as I am contracted full time, I don't want to tell the company I am working for that I am taking on more work

My one problem in being able to do this is a previous reference. Obviously I can't put the company I am currently working for as then they might get annoyed. If I put a previous company then there will be a big gap in time, which the new company might seem suss.

Any ideas to get round this? Thanks

You say here that you are 'full time' but that you also are finding that you have quite a bit of 'free time'.

Whos time is the 'free time'. If you are being made for that time by someone else, even though you're not busy, then that's their time. If you then took on other work and I'm paying you to sit on your arse then I'd be really really pissed off.

If on the other hand, you're only invoicing 3 days per week out of that 'full time', then in my opinion you are free to get other work, and inform the existing client and ask for a reference, because they are not paying you for that full time. In fact, you could say they are in breach. So which one is it, siutation A or siutation B?

[stphnstevey]

I understand what your saying but it is the profession I am in that a reference is needed (the last company I worked for hired a company to check my references)

[TykeMerc]

I'm always asked for a reference, its a job requirement

I'd be very surprised if it's the clients asking for references, in 20 years of contracting I can count the times that has happened on the fingers of one foot.

Agents on the other hand love asking for references as they're leads for cold calling purposes. Please see this thread and many others on CUK http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...eferences.html

[VectraMan]

I'm always asked for a reference, its a job requirement

Did an agent tell you that?

You're not likely to get a weekend/evening job through the normal channels. The best way to get that sort of arrangement is if you already have a relationship with a previous client that have some additional requirements. And then references are irrelevant.

[stphnstevey]

I'm always asked for a reference, its a job requirement