Reply to: Is anyone bothered by the current "terror threat level"?

[VectraMan]

Your still focusing on the way they died, and forget calling it fate or destiny, but what i am interested in is why was that child in that street at exactly the time that drunk driver hit them were they just that unlucky,(the belief in luck is the same as believing in fate or destiny) what if they had crossed the road or just left the house 5 seconds later or earlier the car would have missed them

True, but the danger is if you start believing in fate you stop taking responsibility. The "could be hit by a bus" argument implies being hit by a bus is a random occurrence, whereas I'd suggest people who are hit by busses are probably to blame because they didn't look. It's also true that they could have avoided the accident by leaving the house 5 seconds later, but that's insignificant.

The unlucky child hit by a drunk driver could have looked, could have been given a lift to school, could have walked down the road to use a footbridge, or could have stayed at home. None of these things are random. 99.9% of what put the child there at that time were conscious decisions, not luck.

[Support Monkey]

No fate but what we make.

Fate is just an excuse people use to avoid responsibility. Say you drive drunk, go through a red light, and kill some children crossing the road. You wouldn't get very far saying "it was just their time to die".

Your still focusing on the way they died, and forget calling it fate or destiny, but what i am interested in is why was that child in that street at exactly the time that drunk driver hit them were they just that unlucky,(the belief in luck is the same as believing in fate or destiny) what if they had crossed the road or just left the house 5 seconds later or earlier the car would have missed them

[EC4N]

Given the fact that in 2009 more that 100,000 people were stopped and searched by police under counter-terrorism powers and yet no one was charged for terrorism related offences, how do you actually guage the viability of a perceived terror threat?

[MaryPoppins]

kill some children crossing the road. You wouldn't get very far saying "it was just their time to die".

[Churchill]

the fate arguement is propogated by religion, designed to keep you docile and accept your "fate", cos if you do that then you're less likely to stand up to and question the powers that be

Could be, or it could be to try and pacify people who are afraid/terrified of dying/death.

[VectraMan]

the fate arguement is propogated by religion, designed to keep you docile and accept your "fate", cos if you do that then you're less likely to stand up to and question the powers that be

No fate but what we make.

Fate is just an excuse people use to avoid responsibility. Say you drive drunk, go through a red light, and kill some children crossing the road. You wouldn't get very far saying "it was just their time to die".

If you choose to go to London, ride a tube train every day, and get killed in a terrorist attack, then nobody would say it was your fault. But at the same time it was a decision you made to run the risk of doing that, so you are responsible for your own death to a small degree. It's not a random decision, like turning left instead of right, or leaving the house 5 minutes later, it's a conscious decision to take a risk.

[scooterscot]

no.

[Clippy]

Option 3 for me. There will always be the 'possibility' of an attack, like there will always be the possibility of being hit by a bus or getting mugged.

WZS.

No different to when the loons from the IRA were blowing stuff up.

[filthy1980]

Fate. Definitely interesting.

Or...a load of old bollocks.

the fate arguement is propogated by religion, designed to keep you docile and accept your "fate", cos if you do that then you're less likely to stand up to and question the powers that be

[MaryPoppins]

Accident \ terrorist attack \ being knocked down by a bus the method is irrelevant, the point i am making is that a set of circumstances\occurances has brought that person to that place at that point in their life, Why? as i said before they could have done a million things that would have stopped them being at that place at that time but they did not so it was fate or if you like their destiny to be there.

I am in no way relegious its just an interesting view point

Fate. Definitely interesting.

Or...a load of old bollocks.

[BoredBloke]

I'll be going through Euston between 16:00 to 17:00. If I don't log on after that you know what happened!

[amcdonald]

We're all going to die at some point, so why worry

Besides if there was a real threat to the public, do you think the government would tell us ?

[Support Monkey]

I'm not entiiiiiiiiiiirely sure I agree with your reasoning here!

Accidents happen, sure. I think the huge difference is that a terrorist act is carried out to deliberately kill / maim people.

Accident \ terrorist attack \ being knocked down by a bus the method is irrelevant, the point i am making is that a set of circumstances\occurances has brought that person to that place at that point in their life, Why? as i said before they could have done a million things that would have stopped them being at that place at that time but they did not so it was fate or if you like their destiny to be there.

I am in no way relegious its just an interesting view point

[Tingles]

FATE?

Do me a favour!

Life ain't fair and that's a good thing!!!!

Live with it.



Tone

[MaryPoppins]

Mine too. But if did have to go, this sort of carry-on wouldn't change my plans.

As Zippy said, getting hit by a bus is a 'possiblility'.

Yeah, I would go down t'big smoke if I had to. But I still hate it.