from dba to management

[TykeMerc]

Doing an MBA part time will take several years, you will be at your current employer for 3-5 years just doing the MBA.

[calacik]

Your employer will sponsor DBAs to do an MBA?

DBA must stand for something else.

Yes ( If I show commitment and willingness to become next IT manager then they will train and support me).
some companies make you pay the money back if you leave the company within first 1-2 years of completion of your training ...

[CheeseSlice]

I remember a guy with an MBA joining a company I was at 6-7 years ago. He became the COO (chief operating officer) whose job was effectively to do all of the top level donkey work... company operations, organisational management, financial reporting, run AGMs, whip the section managers, etc. Then once all of this was being taken care of, the CEO wiped the sweat from his brow, put his feet up, counted his money, and then simply performed arms length setting of direction, strategy and growth.

Seems like a smart move to me. When I'm a big shot CEO I'm going to hire me one of those MBA types to do all of my hard work for me

[Freamon]

this is why im considering mba ( something that my current employer might be able to sponsor me while still a permanent dba)

Your employer will sponsor DBAs to do an MBA?

DBA must stand for something else.

[calacik]

Assuming non sockie status...

The obvious route is leading other DBA's, heading technical teams on projects, business/systems analysis, bits of project management, technical management etc.

MBA? I've considered it several times in the last few years, but I doubt I'd gain a lot out of it as I'm already an experienced manager. I tend to think that good management isn't learned in a classroom or from books, you can't beat experience.

are you suggesting to swith over from dba to managerial position ?
my current plan is to go on contracting as a DBA for next 5 years (from 2012 to 2017), this gives me an opportunity to save some money for my future business,extend my network and learn new stuff.

I guess if I switch from technical position ( dba ) to a managerial position at this time, then I be losing the opportunity to do dba contacting ( something that I waited for years and years ... I consider it to be honeymoon of my dba career), and this will cost me too much in short term, not in long term thu, this is because in long term managerial position will lead me to CEO and.... ( bear in mind that SOME CEO's dont earn more than dba/contractor ).

are you suggesting to switch over now? if not when is the best time for me to switch over?

this is why im considering mba ( something that my current employer might be able to sponsor me while still a permanent dba) or working as a part time manager over the weekend in a diffrent industry to gain business knowledge, make me extra cash and make the future switch over smooth and less expensive for me ...

[rightfluff]

what you doing all that for?
'You don't want to do it like that.' You don't want to become a CEO. You want to be at the other end of the tree. down the bottom. Don't manage anyone. Mon - Fri 9ish to 5:30ish is fine with me. To be honest that's too much but what are you going to do?
Really can't be bothered with the hassle.
Got better things to do with my time then work up the organisational hierarchy. All a load of tosh anyway.

is it time to go home yet?

CONTRACTING RULES.

[Freamon]

B0ll0x.

AtW

Stanford/Harvard MBA Class 1999 Reject

Most people.

[AtW]

Most people who do MBAs don't do it for the content, they do it for the networking.

B0ll0x.

AtW

Stanford/Harvard MBA Class 1999 Reject

[EternalOptimist]

the MBA strategy is the way to go. Take the pay cut and get those letters after your name. They can take your freedom, they can take your spirit and they can take the p1ss, but they can never take your qualifications - M. Gibson Brave@rse 2008 . The ultimate objective here is to do what you enjoy doing whilst earning a big wodge, and we all know that management or ownership is the way to achieve this so I would suggest taking the DBA management path, take the money and forget the MBA, courses are for horses

[Freamon]

An MBA will be of no use if you have no management experience. Most people who do MBAs don't do it for the content, they do it for the networking.

[monobrow]

Hi

I am a full time / permanent dba ,my long term goal is to become CEO or have my own business in 10-20 years time.

up until yesterday I always though of doing an MBA and making my way into management in couple of years time ( this also means going thru paycut ...) but today i thought maybe i should start a part time job ( weekend job or even 2 or 3 evenings a week) in management, this could be working in a bar as a manager, retail shops or anywhere else( any thoughts or ideas are welcomed).

I wondered if this is a good strategy, and whether it be easy for one like me to break into management in this fashion?

and if its worth the effort?
im not doing this purely for money but its also for gaining management experience, knowlege of managing people, and gaining business knowledge.

thanks
C

being a good/great manager is not something you learn, it's something you are....... in most cases in IT, companies keep promoting great technical staff in order to keep them and they end up either as bad managers or doing something they don't enjoy.

personally, I wouldn't bother with an MBA or doing the part time stuff. Are you considered a leader within your team? do you lead by example? do people come to you for help/advice? are you next in line for a management position when your team leader/manager moves on? have you spoke to your team leader/manager about opportunities in your area? got candid 360 feedback on your skills?

basically, if you can't tick all those boxes already, it's either

A: A pipe dream
B: you aren't ready for it
C: you will never be ready for it


sorry to be harsh(ish), but i'm talking from experience here!

GL

[NickFitz]

I can tell you from experience that bar management can be tremendous fun. You earn jack tulip and you learn what it's like to get stitches in your face from a punch but, by all accounts, it's better than retail stores where incompetent managers let heavy goods drop on your head and cause concussion.

HTH, YMMV, HAND

[TykeMerc]

Assuming non sockie status...

The obvious route is leading other DBA's, heading technical teams on projects, business/systems analysis, bits of project management, technical management etc.

MBA? I've considered it several times in the last few years, but I doubt I'd gain a lot out of it as I'm already an experienced manager. I tend to think that good management isn't learned in a classroom or from books, you can't beat experience.

[realityhack]

Welcome to CUK, calacik. In the vanishingly remote chance you're a genuine newbie, I'll let this one through. Any sock-like antics will encounter zero tolerance. Good luck with your MBA.



Do you like films about gladiators?

[calacik]

Hi

I am a full time / permanent employed ,my long term goal is to become CEO.


I wondered if anyone know of a good strategy,

thanks
C