Reply to: Crap Job of the day

[Jubber]

WHS.

A bit like me fixing fruitmachines for 10 months.

It was better earning £6/hr than £0/hr.

... and the colossal amount of bunce with that job too

[Gonzo]

I don't see this as a crap salary. My first job paid me £15K PA and that too in London. I agree, I didn't have to pay for the rent, but still I don't see a reason why graduates cannot apply for this jobs.

£13K was the average graduate salary when I graduated, and that was nearly twenty years ago.

[OwlHoot]

12-13k as a grad with no skills and 12-13k as a grad with the above skills are 2 totally seperate things. Also what year are you talking about? 15k in London 20 years ago is different to 15k now. I graduated and was on 20k in the north west and I was on lower than my peers. That job role is a complete insult to anybody in IT if you ask me. I didn't go to uni and spend 30k to come out on a 12k job, let alone the ones graduating now with 50k of debt.

Is it possibly some permie politics going on - IT manager of a small company, thinking they need more resources, has prevailed on reluctant MD to allow them to advertise. MD, not wanting to piss off IT manager enough to resign in disgust, approves ad for vacancy to play for time, but with a ridiculously low salary so nobody suitable is likely to apply?

[scooterscot]

No sane programmer who knows all that stuff would ever apply for that role.

Very annoying !

I did.

I've got to get my kicks somehow...

[scooterscot]

My first job paid me £7K a year.

But then again that was about 25 years ago.

You were lucky. All I got for my first job was 2 loafs of bread and packet butter, bonus packet of bacon if it was a Saturday. But tell these youngsters today and they'll not believe you...

[d000hg]

I don't see this as a crap salary.

You're wrong. Normally I'm on the other side, when people in London seem ignorant anyone can live on <£30k, but even up here in the north that's very low.

[fullyautomatix]

No sane programmer who knows all that stuff would ever apply for that role.

Very annoying !

[Jubber]

Hmmmm - I think this will be a requirement from a big firm already crawling with bobs. Just putting it up through Hays (who probably only took it to try and get on the PSL list) so they can tick the boxes before getting another ICT in to do the work. That's my conspiracy theory of the day anyway

[BoredBloke]

There is a big difference between

1 - taking a graduate on who has no experiance and training them up and paying them 12k to do it

and

2 expecting to get the skills listed and paying 12k for them.

[rd409]

12-13k as a grad with no skills and 12-13k as a grad with the above skills are 2 totally seperate things. Also what year are you talking about? 15k in London 20 years ago is different to 15k now. I graduated and was on 20k in the north west and I was on lower than my peers. That job role is a complete insult to anybody in IT if you ask me. I didn't go to uni and spend 30k to come out on a 12k job, let alone the ones graduating now with 50k of debt.

15k in 2006. I appeared for quite a few interviews, but failed to get a job, and then this role came. I figured without experience no one would entertain me, so accpeted this. I still believe knowledge does not count when you have your CV in front of an agent. They want to see if you have worked in professional environment.

And about the skill set. I was the only person in the company (around 20 employees) who knew how to switch on computer. So it was not really a grad job, but a "Jack of all Trade" kind of job. Experience gained = not much. But at the end of the year my CV said 1 Year exp, and I got the job after 1st interview.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I don't see this as a crap salary. My first job paid me £15K PA and that too in London. I agree, I didn't have to pay for the rent, but still I don't see a reason why graduates cannot apply for this jobs.
The issue here is, there is a job available and the business can only afford a certain amount. I am happy, I took the job for such a low salary, but then after 1 year of experience, jumped to the next band. You can't just sit down, not wanting to work and then complain about immigrants taking the jobs.

12-13k as a grad with no skills and 12-13k as a grad with the above skills are 2 totally seperate things. Also what year are you talking about? 15k in London 20 years ago is different to 15k now. I graduated and was on 20k in the north west and I was on lower than my peers. That job role is a complete insult to anybody in IT if you ask me. I didn't go to uni and spend 30k to come out on a 12k job, let alone the ones graduating now with 50k of debt.

[rd409]

If it's not a crap rate then feel free to apply for it. It's only just above minimum wage so on that basis I would say that they will struggle to attract people with those skills for £230 a week. This was also originally advertised as a 6 month contract!

I have seen my salary from 15k to 35k and then I entered the contractors world. I don't particularly appreciate the rate, but then staying in work at a very low rate is still better than on dole. I personally call this ethics.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

OK - not the hardest skill set but certainly should pay a fair bit more than minimum wage!!

WTF?!?!

SQL, SSRS, Datawarehousing not the hardest skill set? I know guys on double that wage per month in contracting. It might be easy once you know how but you need at least 5 or 6 years experience to get there.

[BoredBloke]

I don't see this as a crap salary. My first job paid me £15K PA and that too in London. I agree, I didn't have to pay for the rent, but still I don't see a reason why graduates cannot apply for this jobs.
The issue here is, there is a job available and the business can only afford a certain amount. I am happy, I took the job for such a low salary, but then after 1 year of experience, jumped to the next band. You can't just sit down, not wanting to work and then complain about immigrants taking the jobs.

If it's not a crap rate then feel free to apply for it. It's only just above minimum wage so on that basis I would say that they will struggle to attract people with those skills for £230 a week. This was also originally advertised as a 6 month contract!

[DimPrawn]

My first job paid me £7K a year.

But then again that was about 25 years ago.