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Previously on "Should prisoners be allowed to vote?"
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What if a situation were to arise (unpopular war or a draconian law) and the state starts to imprison people that disagree with its ideology? Wouldn't it be dangerous to have large proportions of society unable to affect the situation?
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostVery well put certainly, although I don't agree with it as I'm not really a believer in democracy.
I wonder if there may be better systems available. Perhaps a sort of 'passive democracy' like some micro states have, where the government or ruling family is not subject to votes or standard democratic controls, but doesn't have and may not gain the means to defend its power against the people and therefore must maintain some level of satisfaction among the people to keep its own position. Trouble is, that also means they won't have the power to defend the country against outside threats.
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Good points, but the op was about what WE thought, not whether the govt has the right etc.
maybe, with the rise of the interweb, we can do away with charlatans once and for all and get some form of direct rule. rule of the people, for the people, by the web-enabled people
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Very well put certainly, although I don't agree with it as I'm not really a believer in democracy.
I don't believe anyone should have rights without corresponding duties and obligations, in anyone receiving from society when they do not make a reasonable effort (within their capacity) to contribute to it.
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Originally posted by Ignis Fatuus View PostIt is the Vote that legitimises Government, not the other way round. For this reason I believe that it is wrong for government to take upon itself the power to remove the vote.
I'm convinced.
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Originally posted by Ignis Fatuus View PostThere is a very important principle here, which I am surprised that nobody has mentioned amid the detail of the argument. That is the question of who is sovereign: the government or the people. I believe that in a democracy the people are sovereign, however much the constitutional history of England may have produced the doctrine that government (acting theoretically for the monarch) is sovereign. I hold with the writers of the US Declaration of Independence that government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.
Voting is a superior power to governing. The vote is not a privilege given to people by government. Rather, government is a privilege and a duty given by the voters.
It is the Vote that legitimises Government, not the other way round. For this reason I believe that it is wrong for government to take upon itself the power to remove the vote.
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There is a very important principle here, which I am surprised that nobody has mentioned amid the detail of the argument. That is the question of who is sovereign: the government or the people. I believe that in a democracy the people are sovereign, however much the constitutional history of England may have produced the doctrine that government (acting theoretically for the monarch) is sovereign. I hold with the writers of the US Declaration of Independence that government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.
Voting is a superior power to governing. The vote is not a privilege given to people by government. Rather, government is a privilege and a duty given by the voters.
It is the Vote that legitimises Government, not the other way round. For this reason I believe that it is wrong for government to take upon itself the power to remove the vote.
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Originally posted by AtW View PostSo what if they get to vote?
What matters is that those who go to jail ain't got no entertainment center, no climate control, no video system, no surveillance, no freezers, no ******* ice cream, no rubbers, no women, no guns. All they should get there is *tulip*!
Do you really want prisons to be a breeding place for STDs?
I think that would do society even more harm than whatever offences the criminals have committed.
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Originally posted by MarillionFan View PostIf convicted you lose all your rights innit.
Originally posted by MarillionFan View PostLoads of people have spent a night in the cell.
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Originally posted by EternalOptimist View Postsent daaarn, for serious criminal activity. like 4 week porridge or more
p.s. dont be , we all spent a night in a cell. well most of us
If convicted you lose all you're rights innit.
Loads of people have spent a night in the cell. Which reminds me, EO, next time you get arrested can you piss in the toilet in the corner and not on the floor, makes an awful pong for the next person!
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Originally posted by AtW View PostSo what if they get to vote?
What matters is that those who go to jail ain't got no entertainment center, no climate control, no video system, no surveillance, no freezers, no ******* ice cream, no rubbers, no women, no guns. All they should get there is *tulip*!
Prison currently sounds like another form of 'living on benefits' but without the freedom.
What I'm wondering is if some people out there may actually prefer prison to the benefit cap system on 'the outside'.
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So what if they get to vote?
What matters is that those who go to jail ain't got no entertainment center, no climate control, no video system, no surveillance, no freezers, no ******* ice cream, no rubbers, no women, no guns. All they should get there is *tulip*!
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Originally posted by minestrone View PostI that you should have to pay tax to vote.
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How much tax do I need to pay to get a vote - is VAT Ok or do you mean income tax? Do you get a number of votes in proportion to how much tax you pay? Would Sir Philip Green and Lord Ashcroft be denied the vote? (or are they OK since they are Tories?)
Originally posted by minestrone View Post
I don't pay green fees for the local golf course so why should I get a say in the next club captain.
As for prisoners - I have voted WGAF - as someone else pointed out, the ripper et al had the vote before they got caught, and it's not as if there is any political party standing on a criminal friendly manifesto.
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