Reply to: Those Peace Loving Muslims Are At It Again

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[QUOTE]I think that ID cards are a good idea. You check them and if the occupation says "Terrorist" then you arrest them. Simple innit.QUOTE]

Yeah, and if they don't have "Terrorist" on it then you can arrest them for having a false ID.

Like it.

[Fungus]

For heavens sake!! DG is right!!! Blair is Stalin, Beelzebub, Hitler, Pol Pot, Giles De Rai, Daryh Vader and the evil witch of the West all rolled into one. Everyone knows that. Get a grip Fungus.

More seriously, it may not be an exact equation with such societies, but the principle holds true and the techniques employed to manipulate the citizen are the same.

For once I agree with the wishy washy new leader of the Tory party (he is so blithering I have quite forgotten his name again). We do not need all these extra powers against terrorism, as the Hamza trial showed, we already have what we need. "Glorifying terrorism" is a bollox offence. ID cards are an unnecessary and ridiculous expense to no purpose. So somebody is planning an act of terrorism? It says that on his ID card does it? But this bloody government raises all these spectres to turn public opinion in favour of these nonsense based assaults on our freedom.

What is the motive? Have we seen one sensible, by which I mean practical example based, argument from the government on these issues? The DT also suggested this week that the rush to implement a religious hatred bill, almost entirely on lobbying by Muslim groups, is largely driven by the large number of marginal sets they could lose to the lib dems that have a significant Islamic vote.

Darmstadt had the answer the other day, governments are about power - winning it and keeping it. Everything else is secondary. If you think the notional term "democratic" alters that principle one tiny iota you are barmy.

Yeah, okay, I can't disagree with most of that.

I've heard a lot of big knobs in the legal system say that we have enough laws to do the job. The problem is that we did not wake up early enough to the threat. I'm sure some people are trying to make themselves look good by pretending that it was lack of laws that allowed 9/11 etc.

I think that ID cards are a good idea. You check them and if the occupation says "Terrorist" then you arrest them. Simple innit.

Of course governments are about power.

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[xoggoth]

For heavens sake!! DG is right!!! Blair is Stalin, Beelzebub, Hitler, Pol Pot, Giles De Rai, Daryh Vader and the evil witch of the West all rolled into one. Everyone knows that. Get a grip Fungus.

More seriously, it may not be an exact equation with such societies, but the principle holds true and the techniques employed to manipulate the citizen are the same.

For once I agree with the wishy washy new leader of the Tory party (he is so blithering I have quite forgotten his name again). We do not need all these extra powers against terrorism, as the Hamza trial showed, we already have what we need. "Glorifying terrorism" is a bollox offence. ID cards are an unnecessary and ridiculous expense to no purpose. So somebody is planning an act of terrorism? It says that on his ID card does it? But this bloody government raises all these spectres to turn public opinion in favour of these nonsense based assaults on our freedom.

What is the motive? Have we seen one sensible, by which I mean practical example based, argument from the government on these issues? The DT also suggested this week that the rush to implement a religious hatred bill, almost entirely on lobbying by Muslim groups, is largely driven by the large number of marginal sets they could lose to the lib dems that have a significant Islamic vote.

Darmstadt had the answer the other day, governments are about power - winning it and keeping it. Everything else is secondary. If you think the notional term "democratic" alters that principle one tiny iota you are barmy.

[Fungus]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dundeegeorge
Authoritarian repressive regimes are using a hate figure (them) to take public opinion away from small things like freedom at home.


You've lost me there gov. What you on about?

I was reading that as "Authoritarian repressive regimes (The government) are using a hate figure (Muslims) to take public opinion away from small things like freedom at home."

I mean, has anyone actually read 1984, FFS.

Read it? I lived it. What a silly question.

I always have a good laff at woolly liberals who equate our flawed democratic society with oppressive authoritarian dictatorships. Ah well.

[Dundeegeorge]

Fungus

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dundeegeorge
Authoritarian repressive regimes are using a hate figure (them) to take public opinion away from small things like freedom at home.


You've lost me there gov. What you on about?

I was reading that as "Authoritarian repressive regimes (The government) are using a hate figure (Muslims) to take public opinion away from small things like freedom at home."

I mean, has anyone actually read 1984, FFS.

[Fungus]

Can learn this lesson right here at home all you have to do is have a pop at gays or ethnics and you too can have the police crawling all over your lives.

Police I sh1t'em, I wouldn't p1s s on them if they were on fire...

You must be a white middle class heterosexual Anglo-Saxon male, the world's favourite hate figure. Get a sun tan. It does wonders for the way the police respond. "Yes Sir, you are being ethnically infringed are you Sir, [sound of teeth sucking] that's serious Sir, we'd better drop our current murder investigation pronto."

[Fungus]

Authoritarian repressive regimes are using a hate figure (them) to take public opinion away from small things like freedom at home.

You've lost me there gov. What you on about?

[vista]

You too

He soon learnt that most people lived in fear in what was little more than a police state with the populace cowed by fear of attack by the police.

Can learn this lesson right here at home all you have to do is have a pop at gays or ethnics and you too can have the police crawling all over your lives.

Police I sh1t'em, I wouldn't p1s s on them if they were on fire...

[sappatz]

denmark

destroy denmark ? why not ?
who will be next in line for those vandals ? switzerland also ? (or not because the sheiks money is placed in the vaults)

[Dundeegeorge]

Shome mishtake shurely?

Naah.

Authoritarian repressive regimes are using a hate figure (us) to take public opinion away from small things like freedom at home.

According to R4 the Syrian government might have encouraged the storming of Scandinavian embassies. Also according to R4 the protests in numerous countries were orchestrated by shady gov. figures. Bear in mind that those fun loving Iranians do not have fair and free elections. To stand as a candidate in an election you first have to be approved by the government.

I remember some while back hearing about an American who went to live in Egypt believing America was the root of all evil and the Egyptians were enlightened. He soon learnt that most people lived in fear in what was little more than a police state with the populace cowed by fear of attack by the police.

Authoritarian repressive regimes are using a hate figure (them) to take public opinion away from small things like freedom at home.

[Fungus]

Awwww, bless 'em...


Doesn't it just make you want to snuggle up to them?

Naah.

Authoritarian repressive regimes are using a hate figure (us) to take public opinion away from small things like freedom at home.

According to R4 the Syrian government might have encouraged the storming of Scandinavian embassies. Also according to R4 the protests in numerous countries were orchestrated by shady gov. figures. Bear in mind that those fun loving Iranians do not have fair and free elections. To stand as a candidate in an election you first have to be approved by the government.

I remember some while back hearing about an American who went to live in Egypt believing America was the root of all evil and the Egyptians were enlightened. He soon learnt that most people lived in fear in what was little more than a police state with the populace cowed by fear of attack by the police.

[MrsGoof]

[Not So Wise]

Actually the guy was talking common sence, problem is whole thing has gone well beyond common sence now

The whole west/arab dispute is like two people liveing next to each other with thin wall's.

Guy on one sides asks (reasonably) for the other to turn down the TV at night, other guy complys.

First guy asks again as says it is still to loud, so once again he turns it down.

After the 3rd time (when the second guy can bearly hear hear his own tv) he basicly just tells him to f**k off and turns TV even higher than it originally was

The Arab world really picked the wrong thing to argue over with this, because whatever public support they had in the west is rapidly shrinking and as soon as western politicians cop on to this, things will start to get a whole lot nastyer

[Mark Riley]

Try beheading someone, it might cheer you up. Seems to work for some.

cut off their heads and throw them in their faces I say