Reply to: I suggest a simple solution for IR35

[VectraMan]

Indeed -- I always wonder how they will replace that amount of revenue when the oil runs out or when we all have battery cars or go back to horses.

Hay tax.

On the telly this morning people were moaning about rail fares set to rise by 6%, but it occurred to me that even if nothing else changes, the cost of petrol/diesel is going up by 14% with the VAT rise, and actually trainists are getting off lightly by being VAT exempt.

[AtW]

True, in this world of yours, were everything is free and everyone works for nothing. Pity its in another universe.

During world war when total mobilization is in effect and fight is for your lifes, then if you don't work as instructed you are deemed to be with the enemy and you suffer full consequences of that.

Money can be printed anyway and by the time of WW2 gold standard was already going downhill.

The real cost of such war is human loss and loss of opportunities to build useful things (bridges etc).

[kandr]

Its free (cash wise) if you don't have to buy raw materials for cash (USSR - had its own or were donated by allies), and human paid low wages if anything.

Either way human cost of world wars in my view is much higher than that of money.

True, in this world of yours, were everything is free and everyone works for nothing. Pity its in another universe.

[AtW]

Yeah because building tanks,ships,planes, artillery etc is free.

Its free (cash wise) if you don't have to buy raw materials for cash (USSR - had its own or were donated by allies), and human paid low wages if anything.

Either way human cost of world wars in my view is much higher than that of money.

[kandr]

I think that the human cost of world war is by far bigger than any money that were spend on them - it's not about money when you get total war with people mobilised to work on the cheap or free, I doubt even in England paying rates for, say, pilots were massive - it's not about money in such cases.

Yeah because building tanks,ships,planes, artillery etc is free.

[AtW]

Do you think the money spent to fight the world wars was less than the amount that would have subsequently been spent in pension payments?

I think that the human cost of world war is by far bigger than any money that were spend on them - it's not about money when you get total war with people mobilised to work on the cheap or free, I doubt even in England paying rates for, say, pilots were massive - it's not about money in such cases.

[SupremeSpod]

I put up it in quotes idiot - "conveniently" - that meant that obviously it was not convenient, but the matter of fact is that high casualties of war cause demographic changes that, at the time, benefited Govt in terms of tax it needed to provide for retirement, also people did not live as long back then for other reasons.

Do you think the money spent to fight the world wars was less than the amount that would have subsequently been spent in pension payments?

[AtW]

Today marks the start of the 2010 "Poppy Appeal".

I put up it in quotes idiot - "conveniently" - that meant that obviously it was not convenient, but the matter of fact is that high casualties of war cause demographic changes that, at the time, benefited Govt in terms of tax it needed to provide for retirement, also people did not live as long back then for other reasons.

[kandr]

Today marks the start of the 2010 "Poppy Appeal".

The Poppy Appeal - The Poppy Appeal


"The History of the East Lancashire Regiment in the Great War" records that out of some 720 Accrington Pals who took part in the attack, 584 were killed, wounded or missing.

"The result of the H.E. shells, shrapnel, machine-gun and rifle fire was such that hardly any of our men reached the German front trench. The lines which advanced in such admirable order, melted away under fire; yet not a man wavered, broke the ranks or attempted to go back. I have never seen, indeed could never have imagined such a magnificent display of gallantry, discipline and determination." (Brigadier-General H. C. Rees, GOC of 94th Brigade.)

On the first day of the Battle of the Somme, significant inroads into the German positions were made only where the terrain was less favourable to the defenders nearer the Somme river. British casualties on this day alone totalled 60,000.

Not really a day people regard as sacred though. Maybe 11th of next month.

[lukemg]

And still no IR35 solution - It's simple, 20% allowance for expenses instead of 5% and we cough for the rest.
Permie benefits, sick, hols, redundancy, pension etc etc have to be worth 30-40% on top of actual salary so we are being generous just taking 20 - NEXT !

[SupremeSpod]

You offensive little twat. Today of all days too.

Today marks the start of the 2010 "Poppy Appeal".

The Poppy Appeal - The Poppy Appeal


"The History of the East Lancashire Regiment in the Great War" records that out of some 720 Accrington Pals who took part in the attack, 584 were killed, wounded or missing.

"The result of the H.E. shells, shrapnel, machine-gun and rifle fire was such that hardly any of our men reached the German front trench. The lines which advanced in such admirable order, melted away under fire; yet not a man wavered, broke the ranks or attempted to go back. I have never seen, indeed could never have imagined such a magnificent display of gallantry, discipline and determination." (Brigadier-General H. C. Rees, GOC of 94th Brigade.)

On the first day of the Battle of the Somme, significant inroads into the German positions were made only where the terrain was less favourable to the defenders nearer the Somme river. British casualties on this day alone totalled 60,000.

[AtW]

You offensive little twat. Today of all days too.

[SupremeSpod]

A lot of old people were "conveniently" killed in the war, so less money were needed, now the baby boomers are about to retire so more money is needed, or WW3

You offensive little twat. Today of all days too.

[AtW]

And NI was 5.5%.

A lot of old people were "conveniently" killed in the war, so less money were needed, now the baby boomers are about to retire so more money is needed, or WW3

[StopTheEarthIwantToGetOff]

I think that's the truth. I still get permie friends who say they don't want to earn over the higher rate band of 37k because they think they'll get taxed at 40% on all their earnings

I'd love to see the removal of employers NI, and just have one tax for employees (they'd obviously have to get paid more). The actually payment of employers/employees NI and PAYE is given to HMRC in one transaction, so they don't have a clue how it's divided up (until they get the yearly P35's etc).

The problem is people would suddenly realise they're being taxed a huge amount and start rioting.

Permies are funny! Bless em