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[Mailman]

A lot of people have died, a lot of wars have been fought to afford you the luxury to be a pacifist to criticise the most powerful nation in history, to sneer at the values of consumerism, to enjoy your poetry and to listen to music, and to spout meaningless cliches. You are happy to take Alf, but you like many others who have values that go beyond the ceaseless pursuit of power and wealth, you wont actually sacrifice anything to make changes. The free market is fine but its success is measured in cash and power.. yes you criticise it, but criticism is no self sacrifice is it?

Jesus (or Alah, Im an equal opportunity insulter ) Dodgy...you just brought tears to my eyes!

Mailman

[white-anglo-reactionary]

close but no cigar

Yes he was taken prisoner in Dresden, thus Slaughterhouse 5 , if you havent read the book or seen the movie then do so.

Alf, you clearly haven't read the book (or perhaps you have and it's time for a re-read). Vonnegut was in the infantry and was captured at the Battle of the Bulge. Part of the book was his own war experience.

[AlfredJPruffock]

From what I remember, he was a POW in Dresden when it was firebombed.

Yes he was taken prisoner in Dresden, thus Slaughterhouse 5 , if you havent read the book or seen the movie then do so.

The odd thing is that his previous declaration that the US is an addict to fossil fuels , has now officaly been recognized by GW Bush.

Krt Vonnegurt is a man unstuck in time...


Can I tell you the truth? I mean this isn’t like TV news, is it?

Here’s what I think the truth is: We are all addicts of fossil fuels in a state of denial, about to face cold turkey.

And like so many addicts about to face cold turkey, our leaders are now committing violent crimes to get what little is left of what we’re hooked on.


The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.

Kilgore Trout

[sasguru]

BTW Vonnegut was no namby pamby "no, you go first" pacifist. He fought for our freedom in WW2. I believe he flew bombers and participated in the fire bombing of Dresdon hence Slaughter House 5. Flying bombers was a very dangerous and frightening activity. One of the worst.

Fungus

From what I remember, he was a POW in Dresden when it was firebombed.

[Churchill]

when it was firebombed into nothingness, I believe, and yes, he was no pacifist, but he was no warmonger either.

Before you start whinging over Dresden, just remember they started it!

[Dundeegeorge]

Well, he was a POW in Dresden

BTW Vonnegut was no namby pamby "no, you go first" pacifist. He fought for our freedom in WW2. I believe he flew bombers and participated in the fire bombing of Dresdon hence Slaughter House 5. Flying bombers was a very dangerous and frightening activity. One of the worst.

Fungus

when it was firebombed into nothingness, I believe, and yes, he was no pacifist, but he was no warmonger either.

[Fungus]

Fair enough Alf, but at 82 he had had his life. I bet he never sacrificed himself by denying himself the benefits of democracy consumerism , cheap fuel etc. By the time he is 82 he has time, too fu**ing much of it. He no longer needs the house, the money, no longer needs to drive the kids to school or pay the fees. He is a hypocrite who has lived his life and passed what is left to the next generation. He has nothing to lose by saying anything he likes.
No wonder the old are despised.

BTW Vonnegut was no namby pamby "no, you go first" pacifist. He fought for our freedom in WW2. I believe he flew bombers and participated in the fire bombing of Dresdon hence Slaughter House 5. Flying bombers was a very dangerous and frightening activity. One of the worst.

Fungus

[xoggoth]

To you DA, I can only pass on the wisdom my dear old departed mum gave to me when I made such comments about the elderly.

"Ooooh, you'lle be old yerself one day" Then she would have shat herself and dropped her false teeth in it, muttered "fancy" and absent mindedly popped them back in her mouth.

Dear old mum.

[Dundeegeorge]

May the longtime sun shine on you

I think after holiday in Cambodia the music died.

But hey milk and cookies keeping me awake GD.

My the supreme deity/nothingness keep us; well happy.

And so to bed ...

Night Boys ...

and heaven's love surround you
and the pure light within you guide your way home

Aaargh, I've just gone all 60's, but then

I was a young man back in the 1960's

[DodgyAgent]

It wiznae me DA it wiz yon Kurt Vonnegurt

And what does he know; at 82; well probably more than you and I know; but you shouldnt take what these creative types say at face value.

But hes still an amazing author.

PS a sincere thanks to all those who have died for my poetry and music; I reâlly do appreciate it and will continue to enjoy life on your behalf.

Perfect.

Fair enough Alf, but at 82 he had had his life. I bet he never sacrificed himself by denying himself the benefits of democracy consumerism , cheap fuel etc. By the time he is 82 he has time, too fu**ing much of it. He no longer needs the house, the money, no longer needs to drive the kids to school or pay the fees. He is a hypocrite who has lived his life and passed what is left to the next generation. He has nothing to lose by saying anything he likes.
No wonder the old are despised.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Yes, Dylan wrote interesting lyrics (but if you read his chronicles they might not be as deep as some would have you believe), yes, god bless Kurt V (oh, and god bless the dozy ****er who casually dropped 'Breakfast of Champions' on my desk at school complaining that his big brother gave him this book but it was crap (????) and did I want to read it because I would read 'any tulipe') who strips naked our stupidity and our foibles and our weaknesses but never our humanity, god bless East Bay Ray for making the hairs on the back of my neck stand up 20+ years after first hearing the intro to 'Holiday in Cambodia'.
Great stuff, wonderful stuff, life-inspiring stuff, but I wouldn't want to brain dump it on you or anyone else.
If you've got something to say, say it yourself, I'm sure you can adequately explain yourself.

I think after holiday in Cambodia the music died. Then I heard Killing Jokes Turn to Red ... lovely account of a nuclear war; great music to listen to after a hard day in the office.

But hey milk and cookies keeping me awake DG.

May the supreme deity/nothingness keep us; well happy.

And so to bed ...

Night Boys ...

[Fungus]

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlfredJPruffock
I dont take anything the media states at face value; so lets see what emerges.

[/I]
Unless it is anti Israel or USA eh Alf?

From what I can see the media is bloody ill-informed about both sides of the argument, and are being freely manipulated by both sides. It's the consequnce of knee jerk superficial Daily Mail style analysis (and whatever the loony leftie equivalent is).

Fungus

[AlfredJPruffock]

A lot of people have died, a lot of wars have been fought to afford you the luxury to be a pacifist to criticise the most powerful nation in history, to sneer at the values of consumerism, to enjoy your poetry and to listen to music, and to spout meaningless cliches. You are happy to take Alf, but you like many others who have values that go beyond the ceaseless pursuit of power and wealth, you wont actually sacrifice anything to make changes. The free market is fine but its success is measured in cash and power.. yes you criticise it, but criticism is no self sacrifice is it?

It wiznae me DA it wiz yon Kurt Vonnegurt

And what does he know; at 82; well probably more than you and I know; but you shouldnt take what these creative types say at face value.

But hes still an amazing author.

PS a sincere thanks to all those who have died for my poetry and music; I reâlly do appreciate it and will continue to enjoy life on your behalf.

Perfect.

[Dundeegeorge]

Alf, why do you keep appealing to higher authorities?

Yes, Dylan wrote interesting lyrics (but if you read his chronicles they might not be as deep as some would have you believe), yes, god bless Kurt V (oh, and god bless the dozy ****er who casually dropped 'Breakfast of Champions' on my desk at school complaining that his big brother gave him this book but it was crap (????) and did I want to read it because I would read 'any tulipe') who strips naked our stupidity and our foibles and our weaknesses but never our humanity, god bless East Bay Ray for making the hairs on the back of my neck stand up 20+ years after first hearing the intro to 'Holiday in Cambodia'.
Great stuff, wonderful stuff, life-inspiring stuff, but I wouldn't want to brain dump it on you or anyone else.
If you've got something to say, say it yourself, I'm sure you can adequately explain yourself.

[DodgyAgent]

Whoa, controversial there me old matey!

Btw, WTF, Scotland beat France?

How're your knees standing up Dodgy and how's your BMI? Mine's 30.06... not bad for a big hunk o' love like myself!

But it is the misery of the Welsh that gives me the greatest satisfaction