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[sunnysan]

Tube prices

Even a single from z1 to z2 paying cash is only £4

"Only"

Without googling, does anybody of a more expensive ticket in the world than that

[doodab]

That would be a waste of time. He would never believe me. He has his own world model and will not let reality intrude.

I only posted it for the benefit of others. Sometimes people get lazy and believe the popular opinion; not everyone knows where to find the facts (as much are they are given the source).

Of course a large part of the increase is because of the reduced tax take, which is due to the recession, which is arguably the fault of the bankers. So although it may not be bailout costs per se, it's still the fault of the spekulants.

[doodab]

I used to pay about £90 a month for my travelcard when I lived in zone 3, and about £50 when I lived in zone 1.

[MrRobin]

Something wrong with those totals considering cheapest zone 1 ticket is £1.80

I think the total passengers must mean total journeys - i.e. tourist comes to London and buys £5.60 travelcard and makes 10 tube trips in the day = 56p a go.

[Not So Wise]

The downside of those cards of course is that Mayor Boris then knows your every move.

Always load them up with cash never CC and Mayor Boris has no idea who you are

[Not So Wise]

Ok, thank you, so based on Annual Report 2010:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...eport-2010.PDF

page 106 shows revenue of £3.6 bln - page 10 shows 2.25 bln passengers were carried, page 84 says 80% of revenues are ticket sales so that's £2.9 bln or £1.28 revenue per customer.

Conclusion - overpaid Londoners charge honest visitors far more than they pay themselves by using massive discounts

Something wrong with those totals considering cheapest zone 1 ticket is £1.80

But to second part, yes the "visitor" rates are just a total rip off, zone 1 ticket only: Cash, £4.00 Oyster: £1.80

Which is why i tell anyone coming to london even for just a day to buy a card, one return journey you make up the initial outlay

[BoredBloke]

Nobody knows whether the tube drivers have any qualifications or not.

Qualifications are not a requirement for the job so they are never asked. The could all have a phd for all we know.

Who said that they didn't have qualifications? I was pointing out that limited qualifications is not a barrier to entry like it is with teaching or nursing. back at you!

[Gonzo]

Conclusion - overpaid Londoners charge honest visitors far more than they pay themselves by using massive discounts

Partly true but there are plenty of people from outside London that have Oyster cards and use them when they are in town and there is nothing to stop anyone else doing that.

The downside of those cards of course is that Mayor Boris then knows your every move.

[AtW]

Their annual report is on tfl.gov.uk

Ok, thank you, so based on Annual Report 2010:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...eport-2010.PDF

page 106 shows revenue of £3.6 bln - page 10 shows 2.25 bln passengers were carried, page 84 says 80% of revenues are ticket sales so that's £2.9 bln or £1.28 revenue per customer.

Conclusion - overpaid Londoners charge honest visitors far more than they pay themselves by using massive discounts

[Moscow Mule]

Yes, but how many more travel from outside zone1/2 and pay more? I was trying to find total ticket revenues that Tube makes but seems harder than it should be - anyone got a total number that can be referenced?

Their annual report is on tfl.gov.uk

[AtW]

The majority (by which I mean well over 70%, probably closer to 90%) of tube journeys are made using a travelcard or oyster payg which is not £5 per journey.
Even a single from z1 to z2 paying cash is only £4

Yes, but how many more travel from outside zone1/2 and pay more? I was trying to find total ticket revenues that Tube makes but seems harder than it should be - anyone got a total number that can be referenced?

[HairyArsedBloke]

I think that you might have to explain to him what that graph is telling us HAB.

That would be a waste of time. He would never believe me. He has his own world model and will not let reality intrude.

I only posted it for the benefit of others. Sometimes people get lazy and believe the popular opinion; not everyone knows where to find the facts (as much are they are given the source).

[Gonzo]

I would say that it is more than somebody with limited qualifications could hope to earn.

Nobody knows whether the tube drivers have any qualifications or not.

Qualifications are not a requirement for the job so they are never asked. The could all have a phd for all we know.

[Moscow Mule]

I do from time to time and I pay at least £5, which is zone 1-2.

The majority (by which I mean well over 70%, probably closer to 90%) of tube journeys are made using a travelcard or oyster payg which is not £5 per journey.

Even a single from z1 to z2 paying cash is only £4

[MrRobin]

I do from time to time and I pay at least £5, which is zone 1-2.

Ah, that's a travelcard.. OK fair enough.

Not sure whether the 3 million per day quoted by TfL is total journeys or distinct passengers tho.