Reply to: 4 out of 5 new jobs go to foreigners

[rsingh]

They want foreigners in Germany now

Excellent. I'd love to do another stint in Germany.

Auf weidersein pet...

[scooterscot]

In Belgium you get 750 EUR on the dole.

Unskilled jobs pay around 1500-1600 EUR, after taxes, you get 800-900 EUR.

People are not idiots, and they realize that, for 150 Euros more, ain't worth it.

The root cause of all this is welfarism. Welfarism must be scrapped if the decay of Western societies has to be stopped.

Said it before, and I'll probably say it again. Like it or not, this is the future.

In fifty years, barring some major calamity, hardly anyone, skilled or unskilled, will be working. All the useless make-work jobs in the World, and those jobs that aren't futile today, will vanish one by one.

So the questions then will be who gets how much dole,

What a load of tosh.

Do we believe the majority of society will choose to exist this way?

I have pride in myself and a strong desire to achieve. Opportunities don't land on your lap, you invent them...

[darmstadt]

They want foreigners in Germany now

[darmstadt]

Thats a bit elitist Mich, I never went to university/poly as I chose to go straight into an aerospace apprenticeship.

Do you find my grammar/spelling to be of a low standard?

I also never went to higher education, started work at 17, yet I have never had any complaints. There again, I had a proper, early, education in the colonies My son seems to excel at English yet is German and educated to German levels, he can probably write better than most English educated teenagers of his age and articulate himself better (although he refuses to speak English with me!)

Maybe its just the education system. I remember when in my final year at school we were taught how to write covering letters, which I haven't done now for over 20 years, how to prepare and dress for an interview and how to act during an interview. They probably don't do that anymore but just point people at the nearest dole office...

[shaunbhoy]

There are those of us of course who would actually prefer that those much like your good self with looks that should come with an 18 age restriction, remain safely in your bedsit, out of sight and mind of us normal hard working British people.

Once again..............in English this time. There's a good chap.

[gingerjedi]

Some of us have been there, done that and got the unfortunate t-shirt.

So, No, I don't feel sympathetic towards someone who's never worked a day in their life and whinges about welfare. Most people haven't a clue how to get by on minimum wage and yet some of us manage it. It's called living well within your means and doing without luxuries. Though these days, what people call necessities, can easily be classified as luxuries.

I'm not sure where you are coming from? I don't think people who have never worked whinge about welfare do they? I was championing the the vast majority who do work for a modest income yet struggle on despite what must seem like the whole world conspiring against their efforts.

[norrahe]

I notice it's all the £500 a day contractors who are quick to criticise the general working population for their lack of foresight and preparation, a vast majority of people in this country are living month to month on an ever tighter budget and contrary to popular CUK belief they aren't all innumerate feckless idiots living on credit.

You lot just aren't competing with that sort of competition at your 'heady' level, it's tough out there so show a little humility FFS.

Some of us have been there, done that and got the unfortunate t-shirt.

So, No, I don't feel sympathetic towards someone who's never worked a day in their life and whinges about welfare. Most people haven't a clue how to get by on minimum wage and yet some of us manage it. It's called living well within your means and doing without luxuries. Though these days, what people call necessities, can easily be classified as luxuries.

[OwlHoot]

In Belgium you get 750 EUR on the dole.

Unskilled jobs pay around 1500-1600 EUR, after taxes, you get 800-900 EUR.

People are not idiots, and they realize that, for 150 Euros more, ain't worth it.

The root cause of all this is welfarism. Welfarism must be scrapped if the decay of Western societies has to be stopped.

Said it before, and I'll probably say it again. Like it or not, this is the future.

In fifty years, barring some major calamity, hardly anyone, skilled or unskilled, will be working. All the useless make-work jobs in the World, and those jobs that aren't futile today, will vanish one by one.

So the questions then will be who gets how much dole, and where will it come from, and who gets to live in the nice areas. How do you judge someone's worth when there's absolutely nothing they can do half as well as a machine, and probably a dirt cheap machine at that, apart from maybe the energy to run it? And the same will be true of almost everyone, stupid or smart, talented or useless, bone lazy or manically energetic.

This isn't pie in the sky speculation either. It will soon be all too real, as a moment's thought will convince anyone with an ounce of common sense.

A related problem will be how to deal with hordes of smart, energetic, and probably guilt-ridden, people with nothing worthwhile to do - "The Devil makes work for idle hands". God knows, there are enough do-gooding busibodies around as it is; but I suspect that is nothing to the absurd heights of meddling and supervision we'll see when that time comes. Everyone will be herded and chivvied around like a lot of schoolkids the way things are going.

[fckvwls]

Until we have a system whereby it is impossible to be even remotely near to being better off staying at home, t

There are those of us of course who would actually prefer that those much like your good self with looks that should come with an 18 age restriction, remain safely in your bedsit, out of sight and mind of us normal hard working British people.

[shaunbhoy]

Until we have a system whereby it is impossible to be even remotely near to being better off staying at home, these problems will persist.
Roll on the day the benefits gravy train, that so many malingerers are currently riding on, hits the buffers.

[xoggoth]

Dear me, what a load of drivel on here from those contemptuous of ordinary British people. Even if some do lack the qualifications and drive to take these jobs we should be doing them and ourselves a favour and forcing them to do so rather than squander our whole identity as a nation on excessive immigration. Whatever you choose to call it (and I only ask you to be consistent) an identity of their own is important to all human beings.

It usually provides no long term solutions anyway. Compare the ethnic proportions of nurses and patients in the 60s and see what it is now, check the hospital studies, an alleviation of a problem has become an exacerbation. Look at how we took in so many to rescue our textile and pottery industries. Where are those industries now? Did we have a shortage of taxi drivers at the time? I don't recall it.

Re background checks/criminal record checks. M The T is quite correct, it is not a level playing field as the equivalent of CRB checks do not exist in many other countries and no such checks are possible for the time before migrants eneterd the UK. References are also hard to verify and often not taken up. The checking is so skimpy that many instances of staff in care homes have been found to be illegals. Like this case:

'Illegal immigrants' held in nursing home raid - Crime, UK - The Independent

[scooterscot]

You can also blame employers for insisting on a degree (any) over a technical apprenticeship.

Combine both. Was apprentice sparky before going to uni. Clients love hands on experience, most of my competitors don't have.

[markinbrussels]

I expect to live in a 2 Bed Room House and pay full tax whereas the guy on 25K is prepared to live in
a hostel with 10 others in a room.
The going rate for foreigners is not the same as the local going rate

I read an article in the Flemish press about 14000 unskilled jobs that no one wants. Its a European problem

In Belgium you get 750 EUR on the dole.

Unskilled jobs pay around 1500-1600 EUR, after taxes, you get 800-900 EUR.

People are not idiots, and they realize that, for 150 Euros more, ain't worth it.

The root cause of all this is welfarism. Welfarism must be scrapped if the decay of Western societies has to be stopped.

[SizeZero]

I notice it's all the £500 a day contractors who are quick to criticise the general working population for their lack of foresight and preparation, a vast majority of people in this country are living month to month on an ever tighter budget and contrary to popular CUK belief they aren't all innumerate feckless idiots living on credit.

You lot just aren't competing with that sort of competition at your 'heady' level, it's tough out there so show a little humility FFS.

[scooterscot]

I notice it's all the £500 a day contractors who are quick to criticise

£600, £600 I tell you... darn recession