Reply to: Shearer for England Manager?

[nodric]

Did they think that by turning up all the other teams would simply fall over in awe of their greatness? Golden shower more like!

I almost just got fired laughing so much at that last paragraph

[jimjamuk]

I'd put Ian Holloway as manager

At least the post match interview would be entertaining!

[BoredBloke]

I think the manager played his part, but I don't think changing the manager would really do anything other than give the squad a honeymoon period. We have tried changing the manager but it's the squad that is at fault. It's the same few players that essentially made up Sven’s squad etc. When you have a defence that played so badly there is not a lot you can do. Upson and Terry were awful and Johnson really is tulip! There were at least 2 times when he ran the ball over the touchline under no pressure. While I think Lampard had a slightly better game than the rest of his piss poor world cup, Barry stunk and Gerrard showed nothing of what he used to for Liverpool, albeit 2 years ago. Defoe couldn't trap the ball and I don't think Rooney was fit from the start. There were times when he lost the ball and you would normally see him trying to recover it. instead he just seemed to shrug. Milner had his moments, but that's about it.

What I can't understand, in terms of tactics, why Gerrard on the left? Why when we needed goals did Heksey come on? He shouldn't have been in the country! He should have put Gerrard in the middle behind Rooney and put Cole on the left and taken off Barry who was rubbish.

Also, what is the point of taking the other players if you are never going to use them. Why take Cole if he is going to be limited to 29 mins? Why take Crouch and not play him? They could have taken Walcott and not played him instead. At least he would have given them another option.

Finally, a story in the Metro today has Gerrard saying that the time is up for the golden generation. If he seriously believes that he and the rest of them were some sort of golden generation then I can see why they failed so badly. Did they think that by turning up all the other teams would simply fall over in awe of their greatness? Golden shower more like!

Just seen that that phrase has already been used. Bugger

[nodric]

This would not be a good team (group) Cliff Richard , Keith Richards, Nigel Kennedy, Stevie wonder(piano) , Phil Collins(drums)

Too funny

So true, and a great analogy, although not sure Cliff is such a good artist, but then there's no accounting for taste

[Brussels Slumdog]

Together we stand divided we fall

However...
- Rooney is Man U's star player, and very nearly the top scorer in the Premiership
- Defoe and Lennon are two of Tottenham's best players
- Gerrard is the lynchpin of Liverpool (though not great last season as a team of course)
- Terry is captain of the Premiership Champions

etc. The English players are not bit-parts and bench-warmers in their clubs.

They may be good when playing along side foreign players but together with an England shirt they are
average players and yesterdays game proved just that.

A Good Team and a good player are two different concepts

This would not be a good team (group) Cliff Richards , Keith Richards, Nigel kennedy,Sevie wonder(piano) , Phil Collins(drums)

But they are all good individual artists

[nodric]

However...
- Rooney is Man U's star player, and very nearly the top scorer in the Premiership
- Defoe and Lennon are two of Tottenham's best players
- Gerrard is the lynchpin of Liverpool (though not great last season as a team of course)
- Terry is captain of the Premiership Champions

etc. The English players are not bit-parts and bench-warmers in their clubs.

Ironically, a number of the Germans that beat us last night, are not Germans, but became Germans by naturalisation. i.e. Taking citizenship.

I accept that there are some talented players in the UK, but not sufficient to select a 23 man strong squad, that can play together, and that is both World class, and World beating.

If there were, we’d have won.

[d000hg]

[*]Liverpool 2009-10: Four players born in UK, 20 born abroad
[*]Man Utd 2009-10: 11 players born in UK, 17 born abroad
[*]Chelsea 2009-10: Six players born in UK, 17 born abroad
[*]Everton 2009-10: 12 players born in UK, 10 born abroad
[*]Villa 2009-10: 18 players born in UK, 12 born abroad
[*]Spurs 2009-10: 13 players born in UK, 12 born abroad
[*]Arsenal 2009-10: Four players born in UK, 23 born abroad
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However...
- Rooney is Man U's star player, and very nearly the top scorer in the Premiership
- Defoe and Lennon are two of Tottenham's best players
- Gerrard is the lynchpin of Liverpool (though not great last season as a team of course)
- Terry is captain of the Premiership Champions

etc. The English players are not bit-parts and bench-warmers in their clubs.

[d000hg]

You've got a point.

However you're forgetting the incentives that the Managers of Tottenham, Man U, Man City and Chelsea have to offer...

True, but the world cup is the biggest possible chance to make yourself more valuable... unlike during the season when everyone's busy, ALL the league managers will be watching closely around the world. So I'd argue there are big incentives, just not quite as direct.

[Brussels Slumdog]

Spice Beckham or David Beckham

I can see Beckham taking the position, his playing days seem increasingly to be a thing of the past.

I vote for an offshore woman coach on a special skills visa as I am not quite sure I want to be kissed by Diego after scoring .
What we need is plenty quickness near the goal mouth so a 1-9 formation is the way forward


Changing the manager will not change anything. All the current players look good playing along side world class players but individually not all that good.
They may just respect an Ex player like Shearer or Beckham and actually perform better.

[nodric]

Root Cause Analysis

The players are simply not good enough. There skill is random, and no one shines. Becks in his day was amazing at shooting a ball, but much else? Odd sparks of brilliance now and then from the current squad, but no one dazzles like that obnoxious to**er from Portugal who can't drive, or recent stars like Ronaldinho.

There are problems with the national team that seem to have persisted for years now. Managers come and go, but do they really matter that much? Is it really only their fault?

England have always seemed consistently weak in defence, are unable at times to pass effectively, and stay huddle together in the middle of the pitch, and fail to open up chances by using the sides of the field. Just look at how the South American teams play. When we do get the odd star player, the rest just don’t seem to be able to play to his standard.

I think there is a deeper root cause to our consistently poor performances.

The Premier league from which the national team is now traditionally drawn, is so full of foreign talent that there is not enough raw talent born in the UK to fill the side.

Nothing wrong with International players being here, and I’m sure that if Man Utd or Chelsea etc, were representing England with all their non UK citizens, we may have even reached the final! But that’s the problem, the UK teams successes are too reliant on foreign players, and we are failing to grow our own stars of the field.

Think back to the great days of Cloughie and Notts Forest. Look at what they achieved. How many foreign players made up that side? Exactly!

Could Man Utd have won all their recent awards with just UK players. Would Chelsea have climb so high without all that Russian money filling the team with foreign talent, almost all foreign at one point!

If we have so much home grown talent, why do we need to import it into the UK from the rest of the World so our home teams can be successful in the Premiership? Also we must not forget that when foreign players come here, we teach them well and how our best guys play, and then they kick our ass when they play against us as part of their National side. Irony?

A long term grass roots program is needed to deliver a National team of winning capability, that can win consistently, not the current hodge podge plucked from what we have left over when all the talent goes home to play for their own Countries. We need to grow our own future stars, both for the league and European matches, as well as for the World stage.

• Liverpool 2009-10: Four players born in UK, 20 born abroad
  
• Man Utd 2009-10: 11 players born in UK, 17 born abroad
  
• Chelsea 2009-10: Six players born in UK, 17 born abroad
  
• Everton 2009-10: 12 players born in UK, 10 born abroad
  
• Villa 2009-10: 18 players born in UK, 12 born abroad
  
• Spurs 2009-10: 13 players born in UK, 12 born abroad
  
• Arsenal 2009-10: Four players born in UK, 23 born abroad
  

Source is the BBC

[Mustang]

You're all wrong. The manager doesn't matter - its the stupid palyers you have to deal with and no manager can deal with that.

I support that statement. Capello made a few strange choices but at the end of the day, if a team is truly world class it is down to the 11 men on the field. With the alleged talent that England had on the field, they should have managed more than they did. The biggest failing was in the group stages when if they had get their act together they would have been top of the group.

We as a country are too arrrogant at football. We have to be more gracious in defeat!!

[moorfield]

You're all wrong. The manager doesn't matter - its the stupid palyers you have to deal with and no manager can deal with that.

WHS. Why don't they start with some decent players first.

Then bring back El Tel. He tells it like it is.

[Churchill]

Managers of Tottenham, Man U, Man City & Chelsea manage to get the England players to perform. Maybe it just takes longer than a few weeks... they pay together every day for months in their clubs.

You've got a point.

However you're forgetting the incentives that the Managers of Tottenham, Man U, Man City and Chelsea have to offer...

I say "Sack the whole England squad. Start again and build a team that can and wants to play together. Eleven prima-donnas don't make a team.

Churchill - In "I'll do it forra fiver" mode!

[mudskipper]

Fergie always said he would not take the England job because he would be personally unable to ever lead England out if they were ever to be drawn against Scotland

Maybe we should have him as manager of Scotland - give us a fighting chance!

[doodab]

Shearer would be a disaster.

Agreed

You're all wrong. The manager doesn't matter - its the stupid palyers you have to deal with and no manager can deal with that.

I was going to disagree and then

'Arry would sort it.

He's got to win the Champions League first.

he said it for me. Half (or more than half) the players in the current squad have played for, and thrived under, Harry Redknapp at some point. Joe Cole, Frank Lampard, Rio and Michael Carrick all rose to prominence as bright young things under Harry at West ham early on in their careers, and he's played his part in making King, Dawson, Defoe, Huddlestone, Lennon and Crouch the players that they are. It seems he has a real knack for getting the best out of people, and he seems to be a nice, genuine guy. I'd love to see him in charge of England.