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Originally posted by threaded View PostI'd agree with you.
I look at it this way: if flying was inefficient then why are there so many birds, bats, and buzzing insects?
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Originally posted by threaded View PostI'd agree with you.
I look at it this way: if flying was inefficient then why are there so many birds, bats, and buzzing insects?Last edited by TimberWolf; 25 June 2010, 09:33.
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Yup with the Arctic in a death spiral, we really need to do something.Last edited by BlasterBates; 25 June 2010, 09:24.
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Originally posted by TimberWolf View PostIt would be interesting to see a complete breakdown of costs of travel in various forms, including the cost of maintaining the infrastructure, i.e the real cost. Perhaps roads and rail would start to look less favourable than air, which doesn't need repaving/relaying every few years and isn't subsidised.
I look at it this way: if flying was inefficient then why are there so many birds, bats, and buzzing insects?
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It would be interesting to see a complete breakdown of costs of travel in various forms, including the cost of maintaining the infrastructure, i.e the real cost. Perhaps roads and rail would start to look less favourable than air, which doesn't need repaving/relaying every few years and isn't subsidised.
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Originally posted by threaded View PostEven a fully loaded train is more environmentally damaging than if each person just drove a small car.
Once you factor in the infrastructure costs, the trains lose big style.
Most statistics I see, such as on the gov. environment website, compare a moving train to a complete car journey, i.e. totally bogus.
This would never have happened under New Liebour!!!
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Originally posted by centurian View PostAs with most things - it depends on how the numbers are crunched.
At one extreme, the CO2 used by a peak time commuter on the train they travel on is quite a big gap compared to a car journey. But when you factor in all the off-peak trains which are virtually empty, the gap is smaller. So far, not many arguments.
Where it starts to get fuzy is when you start to factor in the infrastructure costs (i.e. the CO2 footprint of the train crew, the ticketing staff, the maintenance staff) - and whether eqivalent considerations are made for road infrastructure costs.
Using the same considerations, nuclear power does have a meaningful CO2 footprint, such as the security staff that need to drive to work every day for 200 years after the plant has been decomissioned to guard the nuclear waste.
Once you factor in the infrastructure costs, the trains lose big style.
Most statistics I see, such as on the gov. environment website, compare a moving train to a complete car journey, i.e. totally bogus.
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Originally posted by threaded View PostIt has been proven by several methods that railways are more environmentally damaging than cars. Yet they still run trains and these environmentalists bang on about how we should all use public transport and not cars.
At one extreme, the CO2 used by a peak time commuter on the train they travel on is quite a big gap compared to a car journey. But when you factor in all the off-peak trains which are virtually empty, the gap is smaller. So far, not many arguments.
Where it starts to get fuzy is when you start to factor in the infrastructure costs (i.e. the CO2 footprint of the train crew, the ticketing staff, the maintenance staff) - and whether eqivalent considerations are made for road infrastructure costs.
Using the same considerations, nuclear power does have a meaningful CO2 footprint, such as the security staff that need to drive to work every day for 200 years after the plant has been decomissioned to guard the nuclear waste.Last edited by centurian; 25 June 2010, 07:31.
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It has been proven by several methods that railways are more environmentally damaging than cars. Yet they still run trains and these environmentalists bang on about how we should all use public transport and not cars.
It's about time they ripped up the tracks and tarmacadamed the whole lot.
Save the Earth and provide employment for ex-civil savants. Instead of using road-rollers y'know they could have them in lines, each with one of them pounding sticks, to level the tarmac.
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Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post...talk about the most important threat to the human race for a million years?
Man Made Climate Change.
What's the point in wasting time and money tackling a £1 Trillion deficit when we should be spending everything we have banning CO2?
Or has the hysteria died down a bit now?
The Japanese government has launched a campaign encouraging people to go to bed and get up extra early in order to reduce household carbon dioxide emissions.
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Cameron is due to tackle climate change this weekend. He's due to talk with Obama about BP and how they can pump that black gold out of the ground as fast as humanly possible and share the proceeds amicably.
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you have to admit there must be something wrong when the environment is producing prawns that look like yours
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