Reply to: ID Cards supporter calls for refund

[BolshieBastard]

I've just realized - UK ID cards might be collectors' items in a few years.

Damn - I wish I'd applied for one now!

Unless you lived in certain north west postcode areas or worked apron side at Manchester or London airports and had a valid UK passport, you couldnt get one!

[SueEllen]

They ought to round them up and surcharge them for collaboration, and them that whinge should be made to pay twice.

And have their heads shaved.

Don't forget the star.

Seriously anyone who is Jewish practising or otherwise, has Jewish relations, or has a Jewish name due to intermarriage in their family however many generations ago should be ashamed if they applied for an ID card.

The government and organisations misusing data is one of the reasons why lots of people I know refuse to state their religion, ethnicity or whatever on forms. Or state things like "Jedi".

[threaded]

They ought to round them up and surcharge them for collaboration, and them that whinge should be made to pay twice.

And have their heads shaved.

[Spacecadet]

And she rolls out the old 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear' argument, slightly adapted for modern times;

" if you were a law abiding citizen you had nothing to lose and everything to gain from something that carried little more information about you than your supermarket loyalty card"

She paints those who are concerned about liberty and the individual's relation to the state as loonies.

She is an apologist for fascism. Very recently in Europe, just an hour or so on the plane or a day's drive away, many, many people with nothing to hide and no inclination to commit crimes have had an awful lot to fear from their governments. I'm not talking about nazi Germany, but things that happened far more recently in Yugoslavia, other parts of eastern Europe, and even, up until about 1980, in Spain. It probably won't happen in Britain, but when everyone starts believing it won't happen, it can.

If it couldn't get any more ironic... turns out she's Jewish
Angela Epstein, the UK's first ID card holder | The Jewish Chronicle

(Although her surname should have told me that already!)

[Mich the Tester]

That Angela Epstein lady might have a point, because if you look at the picture her card has "specimen" written across it, thus making it extra useless.

Particularly appropriate to the bearer I might add.

[thunderlizard]

That Angela Epstein lady might have a point, because if you look at the picture her card has "specimen" written across it, thus making it extra useless.

[SizeZero]

Dunno, they paid for something and they didn't get it.

They paid to take part in a trial. They took part in a trial. They got what they paid for.

[Mich the Tester]

Dunno, they paid for something and they didn't get it. Why should the damn governemnt keep her money? A refund sounds reasonable.

They got the cards they wanted.

[xoggoth]

Dunno, they paid for something and they didn't get it. Why should the damn governemnt keep her money? A refund sounds reasonable.

[Mich the Tester]

IBM got sued for providing the equipment.

Holocaust survivors sue IBM over Nazi 'alliance' - Europe, World - The Independent

I think they might have provided some of the ideology too.

[SupremeSpod]

Yep, very easily.

Every morning I walk past a polished bronze plaque at Amsterdam central station. It's a memorial to Jewish railway workers who were carted off to concentration camps and never seen again; now you could ask how the Nazis knew they were Jews, seeing as most secular Jews don't exactly look radically different to the rest of us. Well it was easy; the local authorities kept slightly more data about people than a modern supermarket loyalty card, and the nazis just looked up the word 'Jewish' under the column 'religion'. The bronzed plaque is ALWAYS spotless and shiny, even now, nnearly 70 years after the events; it is polished almost religiously, as a reminder of what happens when we give up little bits of liberty and humanity. There are similar monuments to be found in the entrances to a lot of business's offices in Amsterdam. Every time I walk past it I'm reminded of why liberty is so valuable and become just a little bit more 'civil libertarian' than I already was.

There’s a good side to all this though. Now the LibCon coalition are presenting stupid people like Angela Epstein with the costs of her own stupidity, instead of the kleptomaniac statist bastards that spent the last 13 years forcing the rest of us to subsidize idiots and chipping away at the liberty of decent people.

IBM got sued for providing the equipment.

Holocaust survivors sue IBM over Nazi 'alliance' - Europe, World - The Independent

[Mich the Tester]

When (or trying to remain optimistic, if) oil or food become scarce, it could happen anywhere.

Yep, very easily.

Every morning I walk past a polished bronze plaque at Amsterdam central station. It's a memorial to Jewish railway workers who were carted off to concentration camps and never seen again; now you could ask how the Nazis knew they were Jews, seeing as most secular Jews don't exactly look radically different to the rest of us. Well it was easy; the local authorities kept slightly more data about people than a modern supermarket loyalty card, and the nazis just looked up the word 'Jewish' under the column 'religion'. The bronzed plaque is ALWAYS spotless and shiny, even now, nnearly 70 years after the events; it is polished almost religiously, as a reminder of what happens when we give up little bits of liberty and humanity. There are similar monuments to be found in the entrances to a lot of business's offices in Amsterdam. Every time I walk past it I'm reminded of why liberty is so valuable and become just a little bit more 'civil libertarian' than I already was.

There’s a good side to all this though. Now the LibCon coalition are presenting stupid people like Angela Epstein with the costs of her own stupidity, instead of the kleptomaniac statist bastards that spent the last 13 years forcing the rest of us to subsidize idiots and chipping away at the liberty of decent people.

[TimberWolf]

And she rolls out the old 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear' argument, slightly adapted for modern times;

" if you were a law abiding citizen you had nothing to lose and everything to gain from something that carried little more information about you than your supermarket loyalty card"

She paints those who are concerned about liberty and the individual's relation to the state as loonies.

She is an apologist for fascism. Very recently in Europe, just an hour or so on the plane or a day's drive away, many, many people with nothing to hide and no inclination to commit crimes have had an awful lot to fear from their governments. I'm not talking about nazi Germany, but things that happened far more recently in Yugoslavia, other parts of eastern Europe, and even, up until about 1980, in Spain. It probably won't happen in Britain, but when everyone starts believing it won't happen, it can.

When (or trying to remain optimistic, if) oil or food become scarce, it could happen anywhere.

[fullyautomatix]

I have more sympathy for the thousands who got lured into the 500£ a day job as a HIP inspector. I know many from a previous project for a HIP training institute. They paid around 10K to train for 6 months at the end of which they were promised a job which would bring in 500 quid minimum but definitely more.

[Mich the Tester]

Blunkett was in the news for something similar this week:

David Blunkett 'may sue Government for

Although he may have been making some kind of funny joke.

And she rolls out the old 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear' argument, slightly adapted for modern times;

" if you were a law abiding citizen you had nothing to lose and everything to gain from something that carried little more information about you than your supermarket loyalty card"

She paints those who are concerned about liberty and the individual's relation to the state as loonies.

She is an apologist for fascism. Very recently in Europe, just an hour or so on the plane or a day's drive away, many, many people with nothing to hide and no inclination to commit crimes have had an awful lot to fear from their governments. I'm not talking about nazi Germany, but things that happened far more recently in Yugoslavia, other parts of eastern Europe, and even, up until about 1980, in Spain. It probably won't happen in Britain, but when everyone starts believing it won't happen, it can.