Reply to: The official "final debate thread" -

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Anyone know if there's an audio only download of the debate anywhere? google hasn't helped and I'd like to listen in the car

[contractor79]

Message for Clegg numpties


Illegal immigration: Is an amnesty the answer?
BBC News - Illegal immigration: Is an amnesty the answer?

The Clegg numptie are in my view idiots if they support these kind of stupid policies. Maybe the clegg voters can pay a special tax to fund this amnesty project and the liabilities of all these wonderful illegal immigrants, honest people I'm sure , who they want to be entitled to benefits they never worked for or deserved for invading our country illegally.

[Troll]

I don't think building more rabbit hutch houses is the answer.

Oi!! .... that's my retirement plan

[LegendsWear7]

Message for Clegg numpties


Illegal immigration: Is an amnesty the answer?
BBC News - Illegal immigration: Is an amnesty the answer?

[Platypus]

Clegg is making sense about housing. Only more houses will fix it. Schemes to "help people on to the housing ladder" are smoke and mirrors: if you don't have more houses, then every new person helped on to the housing ladder is somebody else kicked off it.

You're assuming that home OWNERSHIP is 'best' for people.

Where are these people who are not on the housing ladder living now? In a box? No, the lady who asked the question last night didn't look like a street bum.

What's wrong with renting? Oh, I know, it's 'wasted money' because renters miss out on Britain's penchant for housing booms. If we didn't have these crazy booms, there would be no problem with affordable housing.

I don't think building more rabbit hutch houses is the answer.

[Churchill]

IIRC,
in Ireland they took the rather dynamic step of slashing the tax rates for their really top earners. The thinking was that it is better to get a small percentage of the huge sums involved, with the likes of Bono etc., than a large percentage of bugger all when they choose to keep their dosh elsewhere. Maybe CM can explain whether or not it has been successful?

SB, I'm sure CM will answer some time when she's back from her jolly but if I can just add that I certainly know that most people's expendible income in Ireland has been curtailed severely. We were over there recently and I had a good chat with some of our friends. The difference between the UK and Ireland is that the Irish are resigned to the fact that they have to pay to help the country.

[contractor79]

IIRC,
in Ireland they took the rather dynamic step of slashing the tax rates for their really top earners. The thinking was that it is better to get a small percentage of the huge sums involved, with the likes of Bono etc., than a large percentage of bugger all when they choose to keep their dosh elsewhere. Maybe CM can explain whether or not it has been successful?

I would imagine it would be successful. But again, try explaining that to your average leftie and they won't have a clue. They really do think that putting tax rates up means you get more tax revenue. Non-sequitur. Tragedy is that those lefties consider themselves educated with higher intelligence than average.

[shaunbhoy]

IIRC,
in Ireland they took the rather dynamic step of slashing the tax rates for their really top earners. The thinking was that it is better to get a small percentage of the huge sums involved, with the likes of Bono etc., than a large percentage of bugger all when they choose to keep their dosh elsewhere. Maybe CM can explain whether or not it has been successful?

[contractor79]

They might try, but it will actually reduce the tax income as UK plc is on the downward slope.

yes I agree, but try telling that to your average Labour/Libdem voter who only care about keeping their non-job

[threaded]

Those Lib/Lab commies will not cut as they will bow to pressure from union protests etc. they will just tax the private sector more.

They might try, but it will actually reduce the tax income as UK plc is on the downward slope.

[contractor79]

WHS.

I'm amazed more people can't see what an insincere gobtulipe the guy is, all teeth and cufflinks.

Or, worse still, perhaps he is sincere and actually believes all the unworkable nonsense he spouts.

I'm just as amazed that people have been carried away by this conman.

He was doing his best not to talk about his enthusiasm for the Euro and Amnesty for illegal immigrants. How the heck can he be expected to be taken seriously on a debate about the economy and claim he's straight talking and has every policy "fully costed"... then not tell us how much the illegal immigrant amnesty will cost us?!?!?! First thing they'll do when citizen is claim for everything they can since they will pass all the means testing criteria. And what the heck have these illegal immigrants been doing in our country for 10 years before being rewarded with Clegg's citizenship, or more accurately- I'll make you a citizen, please vote for me?

Clegg looked like a grovelling youth, a proper lightweight. I think Brown is awful, especially after calling that woman a bigot, but he made a good defence of an appalling record last night and made Clegg look like a little boy.

I must say though, and I'm not a great fan of his but Cameron WAS very good last night. Even thought I considered going UKIP or even BNP when I'm angry, I'm starting to think we HAVE to put Cameron in no.10 otherwise we get Lib/Lab socialism for 5 years. Those Lib/Lab commies will not cut as they will bow to pressure from union protests etc. they will just tax the private sector more.

[OwlHoot]

I'm not sure who won, but Clegg definitely lost. On the whole economy section I honestly wished he'd just shut up and stop interrupting the other two because I wanted to hear them, and not him. And he clearly lost on the whole issue of the immigration amnesty, although it does make some sense, it's clearly political suicide to say that.

WHS.

I'm amazed more people can't see what an insincere gobtulipe the guy is, all teeth and cufflinks.

Or, worse still, perhaps he is sincere and actually believes all the unworkable nonsense he spouts.

[Pickle2]

and move to Monaco

[vetran]

£2,500 bonus, I get that quarterly (very sales orientated business). I'm neither well paid or producing millions of profit.

If you want profit to tax then those that make it should get some of it. If the banks are avoiding tax then close the loopholes without forcing them to relocate.

If they do it in a risky way then regulate them so the risk is negligible to the country. I don't care if Lehmans go bust but I do care if my pension plummets or I have to bale them out.

top few percent of earners pay most of the tax, they can afford better tax planners and to move to Monaco meaning everyone else needs to pay more it may not be 'fair' but its reality. We need the filthy tax avoiders.

Agree the 10K allowance would simplify the tax system and remove many people whose monetary peers are working illegally from the tax system. Ok its an admission of defeat but a sensible one.

[VectraMan]

I'm not sure who won, but Clegg definitely lost. On the whole economy section I honestly wished he'd just shut up and stop interrupting the other two because I wanted to hear them, and not him. And he clearly lost on the whole issue of the immigration amnesty, although it does make some sense, it's clearly political suicide to say that.