Reply to: I agree with Nick…

[centurian]

If the people really want a local council income tax and PR then give it to them, they will be screaming for mercy after 6 months.

Like anyone earning 45K+ per year and paying into a pension.

The LD plans to scrap higher rate tax relief will basically mean a hit of about 3p in the pound for them (20% of their pension contributions)

Of course, they won't notice it for a few years until they get their pension forecast.

[shaunbhoy]

Despite the criticism with regard to the Liberal performance in election debate yesterday, doesn't empirical evidence, rather than what's said (a poor metric), point to the Liberals being more honest than the other shysters? e.g. the expenses scandal had few if any Liberals feeding at the trough. They generally seem less greedy and dishonest to me, perhaps because there are less of them.

Well my local MP just happens to be one of the Liberals doing what I would regard as "feeding at the trough". Where I live it is a clear race between the LDs and the Tories, with NL a very distant 3rd even when they were doing well elsewhere. Sadly, I think he will still retain his seat, although I will certainly be voting against him.

[OwlHoot]

The agree with Nick to me, said, if you want to get rid of Brown vote Tory, as otherwise Brown and Nick will be forming a hung government.

To me liberals are the party of even bigger taxes, wasted money and more immigration. Three things this country desperately does not need.

You're right on the button with the second sentence.

(and maybe the first too, although I got a bit lost at the start )

[minestrone]

If the people really want a local council income tax and PR then give it to them, they will be screaming for mercy after 6 months.

I am kind of sheltered now from what these idiots can do to the country due to having a bit of money in the bank, it's the zoomers on 15 grand a year who choose politics based on what the metro tells them on the train will vote them in and will lose the most.

[escapeUK]

The agree with Nick to me, said, if you want to get rid of Brown vote Tory, as otherwise Brown and Nick will be forming a hung government.

To me liberals are the party of even bigger taxes, wasted money and more immigration. Three things this country desperately does not need.

[fullyautomatix]

I agree with smalldog.

In fact, while I am there, I will agree with anybody who will vote for me.

[smalldog]

Despite the criticism with regard to the Liberal performance in election debate yesterday, doesn't empirical evidence, rather than what's said (a poor metric), point to the Liberals being more honest than the other shysters? e.g. the expenses scandal had few if any Liberals feeding at the trough. They generally seem less greedy and dishonest to me, perhaps because there are less of them.

Could be just down to statistics....if it was a few tory MP's being naughty with their expenses thats probably about 2% of the entire tory MP base (189 MP's). 2% of the Lib Dems MP base (63) equates to one person and a left leg.

[northernladuk]

I can't do politics at all. There are three guys there. If there is one right answer what is wrong with agreeing with the guy that said it first? Or is that just too obvious and I need to keep my nose out of something I clearly don't understand.

[Spacecadet]

One of the only reasons I thought Clegg looked any good last night is because the Lib Dems have no track record to critique, easy to throw mud when you've never done it before because you know it cant be thrown back

Much like Vince Cable then, can say what he likes as he'll be the most suprised person in the country if he finds himself in a position of actually having to make policy!

[expat]

Despite the criticism with regard to the Liberal performance in election debate yesterday, doesn't empirical evidence, rather than what's said (a poor metric), point to the Liberals being more honest than the other shysters? e.g. the expenses scandal had few if any Liberals feeding at the trough. They generally seem less greedy and dishonest to me, perhaps because there are less of them.

I think that's because openness is part of their guiding principles, it's one of the characteristics that makes people liberals. With the other two, openness is a policy feature, to be balanced against other factors. With the LibDems it's part of who they are.

[TimberWolf]

Despite the criticism with regard to the Liberal performance in election debate yesterday, doesn't empirical evidence, rather than what's said (a poor metric), point to the Liberals being more honest than the other shysters? e.g. the expenses scandal had few if any Liberals feeding at the trough. They generally seem less greedy and dishonest to me, perhaps because there are less of them.

[BobTheCrate]

Clegg & the LibDems, despite one or two promising policies, are fundamentally electoral frauds.

I love the way they constantly throw mud at mostly the Tories, and then accuse the others of negative campaigning and/or sewer politics.

And the way they constantly accuse the other 2 parties of not explaining where the public finance cuts will fall. When in fact, neither are the LibDems ! Just like the other 2 parties only £10billion has been outlined out of £40billion.

So "Oy ... you LibDems ... where are the other £30billion of cuts going to fall then ? Don't want to say do you ?.. Just like the other 2 parties." So no honesty from you either then.

A short while back the LibDems merely looked on from the safety of their bunker as the Tories took the plunge with some real honesty. The public keep demanding that politicians be honest with them. Then, when the Tories were honest with them, (age of austerity, etc) the Tories took a real beating in the opinion polls.

If the public punish honesty and reward dishonesty, they should expect exactly what they get ... dishonesty.

Simples ... pwchhh.

[smalldog]

Clegg

One of the only reasons I thought Clegg looked any good last night is because the Lib Dems have no track record to critique, easy to throw mud when you've never done it before because you know it cant be thrown back

[minestrone]

It was cringing watching that, the stupid fecker is just digging his (and labour's) grave. By allowing the Libs to be the only party in the debate with one opponent then Nick is always going to come off looking best and a 5% swing to the libs is going to hurt labour the most. He should be keeping the groveling to private conversations.

Time and time again the git just looks out of his depth.

[Jeebo72]

Nick at least made an effort to distance himself. And if libs want to genuinely become a 3rd power they must do. But let's face it, when the time comes, people will make the choice of conservative or labour ...