Reply to: Someone showed me a system to win at roulette

[minestrone]

Zero also pays back your stake. Definitely in the UK anyway.

Half at my place of gambling worship.

Not a big casino gambler really, once maybe twice a year.

[SofaKingdom]

Zero also pays back your stake. Definitely in the UK anyway.

If you can count cards to a reasonable level I believe the odds on winning at blackjack is superior to that of roulette.

[MarillionFan]

Not in this instance, which is the point of the system and this thread: it beats that inevitability.

It fails not because of the payback being < 100%, but because it is reliant upon a potentially infinite stake and an unlimited house limit. In the long term, this system seems to make about £400 per 1,000 games. Just be prepared to take at least £2^16 with you. And be prepared to lose £2^17-1 unless you take £2^17...


Edit: BTW, the European roulette wheel is, IIRC, the highest payback of any form of commercial gambling. And because '0' pays you back half your stake, it is, I think, more like 98.65%

Zero also pays back your stake. Definitely in the UK anyway.

[MarillionFan]

Not in this instance, which is the point of the system and this thread: it beats that inevitability.

It fails not because of the payback being < 100%, but because it is reliant upon a potentially infinite stake and an unlimited house limit. In the long term, this system seems to make about £400 per 1,000 games. Just be prepared to take at least £2^16 with you. And be prepared to lose £2^17-1 unless you take £2^17...


Edit: BTW, the European roulette wheel is, IIRC, the highest payback of any form of commercial gambling. And because '0' pays you back half your stake, it is, I think, more like 98.65%

Regardless.

There is no pattern betting that will beat roulette. There is of course a mechanics based one.

[Nicely Nicely]

Thats because the payback on a European roulette wheel is 97.2%. Less than 100%. Therefore you will always lose long term.

Not in this instance, which is the point of the system and this thread: it beats that inevitability.

It fails not because of the payback being < 100%, but because it is reliant upon a potentially infinite stake and an unlimited house limit. In the long term, this system seems to make about £400 per 1,000 games. Just be prepared to take at least £2^16 with you. And be prepared to lose £2^17-1 unless you take £2^17...


Edit: BTW, the European roulette wheel is, IIRC, the highest payback of any form of commercial gambling. And because '0' pays you back half your stake, it is, I think, more like 98.65%

[MarillionFan]

OK, I decide to go to the casino with £1,000 and when it is gone, or after 100 games, I'll stop.

1) Stopped at 100 games, made £49, (had been down to -£27)
2) Made £41.50 (had been down to -£27)
3) Made £45.50 (had been down to -£15)
4) Stopped at game 32 having lost the £1000 and still owing an extra £11 so -£1011
5) Made £26 (had been down to -£116)
6) Made £36.50 (had been down to -£501.50)
7) Made £29 (had been down to -£91)
8) Stopped at game 46 having lost the £1000 and still owing an extra £5.50 so -£1005.50
9) Made £40 (had been down to -£12)
10) Made £52 (had been down to -£42)

It is going to take a long time to win that £2000 loss back.

This system will only work if you can place unlimited bets when you are losing. That possibility does not exist in reality.

You WILL end up losing a LOT of money using this system.

Thats because the payback on a European roulette wheel is 97.2%. Less than 100%. Therefore you will always lose long term.

Simples.

[Nicely Nicely]

The good thing about this system is that in the short term the probability is that you will come out ahead, as the chance of having to double up over a long sequences of losses before you run out of money or reach a house limit is smaller than not doing so. So before you lose your shirt, chances are you will be quids in.

OK, I decide to go to the casino with £1,000 and when it is gone, or after 100 games, I'll stop.

1) Stopped at 100 games, made £49, (had been down to -£27)
2) Made £41.50 (had been down to -£27)
3) Made £45.50 (had been down to -£15)
4) Stopped at game 32 having lost the £1000 and still owing an extra £11 so -£1011
5) Made £26 (had been down to -£116)
6) Made £36.50 (had been down to -£501.50)
7) Made £29 (had been down to -£91)
8) Stopped at game 46 having lost the £1000 and still owing an extra £5.50 so -£1005.50
9) Made £40 (had been down to -£12)
10) Made £52 (had been down to -£42)

It is going to take a long time to win that £2000 loss back.

This system will only work if you can place unlimited bets when you are losing. That possibility does not exist in reality.

You WILL end up losing a LOT of money using this system.

[TimberWolf]

The good thing about this system is that in the short term the probability is that you will come out ahead, as the chance of having to double up over a long sequences of losses before you run out of money or reach a house limit is smaller than not doing so. So before you lose your shirt, chances are you will be quids in.

It might be interesting to work out the time it would take to run out of money using multiples other than 2 (doubling up on losses), e.g. with 1.5, 1.3, 2.5, 10, etc, multiples of a losing pot.

[Nicely Nicely]

You bet £1 a time.

You only bet on red or black.

If you win, you switch colour and bet £1 again.

If you lose you double your stake on the same colour until you win, and then you switch colour again going back to £1 bet.

Gets out trusty interpreter...

European wheel (1-36 + 0, ½ stake kept on 0.)

Monday.
Played 1000 games. At game 466 I was £349 down. The stake went up to £512. At game 951 I had made £393. I made £326
Carried on to game 2000. If the casino had closed at game 1191 I would have been £1,616 down. At game 1966 I maxed at £676.50. I finished the night at £661.50

Tuesday.
Played 1000 games. At game 345 I was £1,881 down. The stake went up to £2,048. At game 1000 I was £412.50 better off.
Carried on to game 2000. If the casino had closed at game 1714 I would have been £7465.50 down. At game 1998 I maxed at £879 I finished the night at £876

Wednesday.
Played 1000 games. At game 296 I was £123 down. The stake went up to £256 and at game 1000 I was £473.50 up.
Carried on to game 2000. If the casino had closed at game 1853 I would have been £3,254.50 down. At game 1950 I maxed at £888 and I finished the night with £649

Thursday.
Played 1000 games. At game 35 was £115 down. The stake went up to £256 and at game 1000 I was £427 up.
Carried on to game 2000. If the casino had closed at game 1054 I would have been £572 down. At game 1999 I maxed at £876.50 and I finished the night with £875.50

Friday.
Played 1000 games. At game 591 I was £16,143 down. The stake went up to £16,384 and at game 1000 I was £421.50 up.
Carried on to game 2000 and left with £822.50

Saturday.
Played 1000 games. At game 914 I was £4,511 down. The stake went up to £4,096 and at game 1000 I was £372 down.
Carried on to game 2000. If the casino had closed at game 1721, I would have owed them £16,423. I maxed out at £416.50 at game 902 and finished the night with just £99

Sunday.
Played 1000 games. At game 92 I was £225 down. The stake went up to £256 and at game 1000 I had £414.
Carried on to game 2000. If the casino had closed at game 1623 I would have been £15,697 down. I maxed out in hand 2000 with £846.

Monday.
Played 1000 games. At game 636 I was £32,738.50 down. Big Ron came down from the office to watch what happened. The stake went up to £32,768. At game 1000 I had £195.50
Carried on to game 2000. Big Ron went back upstairs and let me leave with my £619.50

Tuesday.
Played 1000 games. Never owed more than £9 (game 14). Stake still went up to £128 though. Got to £469.50 better off. Feeling lucky!
At game 2000 left with £858!

Wednesday
Played 1000 games. At game 989 I had £288. At game 1000 I owed them £1,759.50. Big Ron wanted to lock up early so he took a cheque. Damn!

Thursday.
Played straight through to the 2000th game (pressed Enter twice by accident). Had been £559.50 up at game 1319, £8,656 down at game 1332 and ended the night paying Big Ron £152.50

Friday.
Started playing 1000 games. At game 803 I was £16,022 down.

Saturday
Woke up in A&E without any teeth.

Sunday.
Felt lucky. At game 157 I was £8,131.50 down.

Monday.
Phoned in sick. Can't drive to work with legs in plaster.

Tuesday.
When to Lucky Joe's instead. Played 1000 games. Never owed more than £75.50 and was £476.50 up.
By game 2000 I had won £916.50

Wednesday
Back to Lucky Joe's. By game 334 I owed £8,076.50 ... used my car as security and by game 1000 had £401.50
By game 2000 I had £822.

Thursday.
At game 843 I owed £16,268 and I discovered Lucky Joe doesn't have a sense of humour.
It's very dark in here in the boot of Lucky Joe's old banger. And what was that big splash?

Try it online (e.g. Ladbrokes casino).

I thought advertising was forbidden on CUK?

[stek]

Arbitrage is the only way to make money on odds, bet on your Peterborough vs Lincoln's etc, look for different bookies mismatches on odds, bet both ways and you can't lose. Really it's win-win, but...

Cons:

Low returns

Lot of leg work

Bookie can pull the bet, leaving u with a one way bet.

Pros:

Good fun!

If you can put the effort in, you can make a living, maybe only 1 or 2% per bet, but over a week/month/year if you have the time it's loads better than bank rate. Loads.

If I had 5 or 10 grand to spare, I'd rather do this than get 0.3% in the Nationwide.....

[d000hg]

Someone showed me a system to win at roulette

How much did you pay them for it?
The only way to make money from roulette is to get people to pay to to tell them how to make money from roulette.

[expat]

I've made £300, so stopping for today.

You keep having piddling little wins, until the big loss wipes you out.

Of course, life is like that too.

[sasguru]

I refer you to my sig.

[minestrone]

My mate has a bit of a gambling problem and I am sure he adopted the same system when I made the mistake of renting a flat just round the corner from Star City in Sydney. Later did I find out he was broke and gambling with my rent money.

[d000hg]

Sasguru was asking what to do with all his money the other day...