Reply to: IR35 ttfn

[BoredBloke]

They clearly did have a mandate from the publicc, having been elected time after time.

No they didn't fight it on that basis. Everybody knew that Blair would step down in favour of Brown. Some even thought it would happen sooner than it did.

Did he promise to do a full term?

Yes he did!

There are plenty of reports from the time. he only did because Brown would not have won! Brown can only be PM when there is no competition!

Even the Cabinet don't agree on the 'promise'

[TimberWolf]

Precisely. B Liar's 45 minute claim was based on 'information' gained from a taxi driver in Iraq, was not backed up by Hans Blix, who'd spent quite some time in Iraq looking for WMDs and hadn't found any, and was calculated to instill fear in the public and paralyse the opposition who could not be seen to oppose the government in a matter of national security. It was an outright lie that has led to the deaths more than 80,000 Iraqi citizens and many hundreds of British soldiers who signed up trusting that if they were sent to war it would be for a just cause and not a lie. Tony Blair, and all cabinet ministers who took part in this decision outside of those who resigned, therefore including Gordon Snot, is complicit in the murder of British soldiers and the illegal imprisonment and torture of British citizens. He is a liar, a traitor and a war criminal, should be tried in Britain for his offences and tried in the Hague for his support of torture.

New Labour and those people who continued to be members of a Labour government instead of destroying their membership cards when the lies were exposed are criminal scum, no better than the Ba'ath party they set out to destroy, and I, for one, would be absolutely delighted to see the labour party destroyed at the next election, never to return to power.

Get them out. Put the Libs in if you like or the tories if you need to, but get rid of this stinking puss filled boil of a government before they destroy any more lives.

I thought it was much higher than that:

Total excess deaths, (Lancet) – December 2009: 1,366,350***[38][39][40] (highest estimate)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

[Mich the Tester]

Perhaps they could say that they had a mandate from the public regarding the war if they hadn't lied to get it through the house.

Precisely. B Liar's 45 minute claim was based on 'information' gained from a taxi driver in Iraq, was not backed up by Hans Blix, who'd spent quite some time in Iraq looking for WMDs and hadn't found any, and was calculated to instill fear in the public and paralyse the opposition who could not be seen to oppose the government in a matter of national security. It was an outright lie that has led to the deaths more than 80,000 Iraqi citizens and many hundreds of British soldiers who signed up trusting that if they were sent to war it would be for a just cause and not a lie. Tony Blair, and all cabinet ministers who took part in this decision outside of those who resigned, therefore including Gordon Snot, is complicit in the murder of British soldiers and the illegal imprisonment and torture of British citizens. He is a liar, a traitor and a war criminal, should be tried in Britain for his offences and tried in the Hague for his support of torture.

New Labour and those people who continued to be members of a Labour government instead of destroying their membership cards when the lies were exposed are criminal scum, no better than the Ba'ath party they set out to destroy, and I, for one, would be absolutely delighted to see the labour party destroyed at the next election, never to return to power.

Get them out. Put the Libs in if you like or the tories if you need to, but get rid of this stinking puss filled boil of a government before they destroy any more lives.

[The Wikir Man]

No they didn't fight it on that basis. Everybody knew that Blair would step down in favour of Brown. Some even thought it would happen sooner than it did.

That is incorrect. Blair said that he would lead for a full parliament. He never intended to, but that was the commitment in the manifesto.

[Gonzo]

What are you waffling about, Treason? This is Her Majesty's Government, elected by The People (repeatedly), carrying out their mandated policies. It therefore can not be treason.

Yes it can. I think you are overstating the relevance of The People in the relationship between the sovereign and his or her subjects.

Suggesting that the Queen's Ministers should be hanged for doing that might be treason, though.

That can't happen now because life imprisonment is the maximum sanction available.

[Tarquin Farquhar]

Perhaps they could say that they had a mandate from the public regarding the war if they hadn't lied to get it through the house.

Also Labour fought the last election on the basis that that grinning spiv would do the full term, knowing full well that he was going to step aside for the fekwitt we've been saddled with.

They clearly did have a mandate from the publicc, having been elected time after time.

No they didn't fight it on that basis. Everybody knew that Blair would step down in favour of Brown. Some even thought it would happen sooner than it did.

[DaveB]

Clarified tax rules are fairer.
At the moment lots of people are operating outside IR35, worrying about being caught and having to pay back taxes
Others are operating within IR35 and worrying about throwing away large amounts of money each year by paying more tax than they have to.

Tell that to the BN66 crowd. According to HMRC that was a "clarification".

[BoredBloke]

Perhaps they could say that they had a mandate from the public regarding the war if they hadn't lied to get it through the house.

Also Labour fought the last election on the basis that that grinning spiv would do the full term, knowing full well that he was going to step aside for the fekwitt we've been saddled with.

[Tarquin Farquhar]

One of the first things that New Labour did after being elected in 1997 was to remove the death penalty for treason.

I wonder why they did that?

What are you waffling about, Treason? This is Her Majesty's Government, elected by The People (repeatedly), carrying out their mandated policies. It therefore can not be treason.

Suggesting that the Queen's Ministers should be hanged for doing that might be treason, though.

[gingerjedi]

Love this comment:

Nice one Tory idiots, propose tax changes that would change my life immeasurably for the better, but be so tulip you can’t even get elected against the biggest insane mong in the history of politics. Twats.

[Gonzo]

but this government has no regard for concepts like freedom or justice, should be thrown out at the first opportunity, and the ringleaders of the offences I have named should be charged with and tried for treason.

One of the first things that New Labour did after being elected in 1997 was to remove the death penalty for treason.

I wonder why they did that?

[OwlHoot]

the Tories haven't said that they will scrap IR35 at all.

They have said that if they are elected, then they would look at the legislation. That is a far cry from saying that they would scrap it.

Exactly, and I don't like the sound of that phrase "clearer and fairer"

[Spacecadet]

How odious do you want it? Two wars, one of them illegal, lies to parliament about WMDs, lies and cover up from the police about an innocent man they shot on the tube (I’m prepared to believe it was a mistake, but then it should be immediately admitted and the government should not tolerate any bulltulip in this), cooperating with imprisonment without trial, kidnap (extraordinary rendition) and torture (don’t tell me the government knew nothing about waterboarding), attempts to end habeas corpus, 28 days custody without charge (and they tried for 90), innocent people being arrested under terrorism laws for protesting close to parliament, national ID cards, surveillance of private communications; the Tories are far from perfect, and would need the Libs to balance them out on personal liberty, but this government has no regard for concepts like freedom or justice, should be thrown out at the first opportunity, and the ringleaders of the offences I have named should be charged with and tried for treason.

The nail in the coffin for me is this national care service which labour are pushing now that they have to contest an election.
Another tax and spend policy... just what the country needs right now!

[Mich the Tester]

You make it sound like it's all bad...

I suppose things can only get better...

[TimberWolf]

How odious do you want it? Two wars, one of them illegal, lies to parliament about WMDs, lies and cover up from the police about an innocent man they shot on the tube (I’m prepared to believe it was a mistake, but then it should be immediately admitted and the government should not tolerate any bulltulip in this), cooperating with imprisonment without trial, kidnap (extraordinary rendition) and torture (don’t tell me the government knew nothing about waterboarding), attempts to end habeas corpus, 28 days custody without charge (and they tried for 90), innocent people being arrested under terrorism laws for protesting close to parliament, national ID cards, surveillance of private communications; the Tories are far from perfect, and would need the Libs to balance them out on personal liberty, but this government has no regard for concepts like freedom or justice, should be thrown out at the first opportunity, and the ringleaders of the offences I have named should be charged with and tried for treason.

And a mass immigration policy.