Reply to: Professor Phil Jones exonerated.

[BlasterBates]

...and as CO2 has shot up since 2002 temperatures have declined slightly, as Phil Jones said in a recent interview, might not be statistically significant.

That seems to be a problem for the CO2 theory, I mean we are not talking 2 or 3 years we´re talking 12 years, i.e. since 1998, but since 1998 the sun has died down.

Lets see how the temperatures go shall we. With cold temperature records being broken all over the Northern Hemisphere, and the arctic ice extent now normal, growing at an unusually late time of the season, gives the impression that apart from the El Nino hot spot, that there is a background of ocean cooling. Just check out the Gulf stream in the SST charts. Takes time for the trends to turn the oceans contain huge amounts of water, and the surface temps only (which are high) represent a layer a few cm´s deep, and 2008 was a very cold year, as cold as 1979. So temps can turn very quickly can´t they.

so we will see won´t we.

[pjclarke]

The Cosmic Ray Hypothesis was indeed a feature of The Great Global Warming Swindle. The hypothesis is being experimentally tested at CERN but the project has yet to report. [Multi-million Euro project, so much for 'sceptics being 'frozen out']

There is one big obstacle: while cosmic ray flux has been directly monitored since the fifties and has basically flatlined, global temperatures have shot up. Ho hum.

Incidentally, the document listing the factual errors in the 'Swindle' mockumentary runs to 123 pages!

[BlasterBates]

On German prime time television (Arte) today, research in the cause of the sun on the climate.

They presented two key findings:

1. The sun spots and temp (ocean temps 50m down) correlate very closely.

2. They conducted experiments and proved through their experiments that cosmic rays do create clouds.

They took 2 years to get their research published no journal would touch it with criticisms of it´s too long, or it´s not interesting.

I think this was the research that was reported in the global warming swindle, on cosmic rays, but done in more depth. Good to see this making it´s way into the public debate, rather than the one sided debate.

also Der Spiegel (normally tows the AGW line) published a damning article article on climate science, particularly on rubbishing Phil Jones.

Anyway be interesting to see how the global temps change, over the next year or two, particularly when the El Nino subsides. Bastardi predicts a "crash".

[Cliphead]

And there we have the root of your problem: the pathetic lack of judgement that shows up in all your posts and is the root cause of the lack of value added.

HTH

Cretin

[sasguru]

I'd feel reasonably safe in laying a cash bet that pjclarke is an guru sockie.

And there we have the root of your problem: the pathetic lack of judgement that shows up in all your posts and is the root cause of the lack of value added.

HTH

[DiscoStu]

er, the prediction dates from Feb 2008, since then http://woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/fro...m:2008.1/trend

The solar cycle is indeed coming out of its minimum, and it does indeed influence global temperatures (with a lag of about 1/4 cycle) estimated at 0.1C - 0.2C peak to trough.

Which makes the recent record-breaking warm global temperatures all the more remarkable....

Of course, a warm globe is not evidence of global warming, not around here

I still don't care. I'm thinking of buying a V8.

[pjclarke]

I believe I said that temperatures would drop due to sunspots a couple of years ago...Looks like I was right

er, the prediction dates from Feb 2008, since then http://woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/fro...m:2008.1/trend

The solar cycle is indeed coming out of its minimum, and it does indeed influence global temperatures (with a lag of about 1/4 cycle) estimated at 0.1C - 0.2C peak to trough.

Which makes the recent record-breaking warm global temperatures all the more remarkable....

Of course, a warm globe is not evidence of global warming, not around here

[TykeMerc]

sasguru teams up with pjclarke. A veritable "Dream Team" of muddleheaded confusion.

I'd feel reasonably safe in laying a cash bet that pjclarke is an guru sockie.

Admittedly it's impossible to prove one way or another so my money is safe

[shaunbhoy]

one rational guy on his own.

sasguru teams up with pjclarke. A veritable "Dream Team" of muddleheaded confusion.

[sasguru]

Psssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

The CUK idiots come out in force and are bested by one rational guy on his own.
Not a good showing.

Who's got the plastic sheet for this mass bedwetting?
Suityou!

[Ardesco]

I used to believe this stuff as well, though I was always puzzled by the argument that the climate should change for the worse, why not for the better, how could they be so sure? When the earth was much hotter wasn't covered in lucious forests that could support animals the size of two semi-detached houses. Then I read the argument on sun spots and noted the sun spot activity was at historically high levels, how could they simply ignore it, and then lo and behold the sunpots disappear and guess what, all over the Northern Hemisphere coldest temperatures on record are noted and even Phil Jones notes the temperature has dropped slightly.

Still each to his own.

Surely a climate scientist should have a more open mind.

I believe I said that temperatures would drop due to sunspots a couple of years ago...

Linky

Looks like I was right

[BlasterBates]

Good summary of the current state of climate science:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/31/18010/

Watts and other climate sceptics are well aware that the winter ice doesn't vary much at this time of year, the article on Watt's site just needs to be read even superficially to understand the conclusions, though reading sceptic articles properly seems to be a major failing of climate scientists, they always respond by spewing out out of date verbage that everyone's already read ad nauseum...lets review this in September.

[TheBigYinJames]

It's meant to be a science site right? You know, objective.... balanced ....

In the same way that Psyhcoanalysis is a medical therapy.

[BlasterBates]

and meanwhile the ice recovers...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/3...-the-news-say/

I reckon in 30 years the arctic ice cap might even be bigger than in 1979.

A bit like God sticking two fingers up at the climate scientists.

[TheBigYinJames]

Go on, give it your BEST shot ....

I don't need to ... I'm right. You'll see it over the next 20-30 years. I'll keep in touch so you can apologise personally.