Reply to: BA strikers to lose travel perks

[original PM]

How do you know that they are "smug flipwits?" It is interesting how unions put their own demands before services to the customers, whereas the management clearly do not.

Oh come now DA i know you do not believe that senior management will put customer service ahead of profits

they will treat the customer as badly as they can get away with

the key is not to give good customer service the key is to give the customer service at a level that means that dealing with the complaints will be more cost effective than upping your service levels in the first place.

[DodgyAgent]

cheers DA good to see you back.

Although that was not my point my point was that the other poster was asking why the staff were harming a british icon and I suppose my point was because they can because nobody gives a stuff about them and as it is not allowed to go and beat the living crap out of the smug flipwits you have to do things to hurt them via a legal route

And that route is to strike - which they hope will reduce company profits - which in turn maybe will mean that the senior management miss budgets and therefore do not deliver and so will be sacked

which is highly unlikely but when you only have 1 voice you occasionally have to shout.

How do you know that they are "smug flipwits?" It is interesting how unions put their own demands before services to the customers, whereas the management clearly do not.

[SueEllen]

BA Strike - The Facts
No, not from me, but from someone outside the business and the union.

An interesting read

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flying...ion-from-fact/

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flying...trike-numbers/

So that's where the media got it's news from that Gatwick was operating normally.

[original PM]

BA Strike - The Facts
No, not from me, but from someone outside the business and the union.

An interesting read

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flying...ion-from-fact/

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flying...trike-numbers/

from these blogs it looks like the strike has had minimal impact anyway!

[original PM]

Well spoken brother.. everyone should earn exactly the same

cheers DA good to see you back.

Although that was not my point my point was that the other poster was asking why the staff were harming a british icon and I suppose my point was because they can because nobody gives a stuff about them and as it is not allowed to go and beat the living crap out of the smug feckwits you have to do things to hurt them via a legal route

And that route is to strike - which they hope will reduce company profits - which in turn maybe will mean that the senior management miss budgets and therefore do not deliver and so will be sacked

which is highly unlikely but when you only have 1 voice you occasionally have to shout.

[Harrysp]

BA Strike - The Facts
No, not from me, but from someone outside the business and the union.

An interesting read

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flying...ion-from-fact/

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flying...trike-numbers/

[nodric]

hmmm whilst I kind of see the point you are making the fact is this.

The staff feel that BA do not give a toss about them.

Therefore why should they care whether or not BA does well or does badly.

Forget the fact that BA is an icon etc and remember the fact that we are in a recession because of the greed of people who could not care whether the average worker lives or dies.

Why should anyone feel any loyalty to any company when that company will happily turf people out of a job to ensure they meet shareholder profit expectations.

Note we are not talking about companies who are making a loss and therefore need to cut costs to survive we are talking about companies who want to make more profit so they can award themseleves more bonuses than they could ever spend...

And so what if that leaves average Joe on the street with no way to pay his mortgage or feed his kids.

I hear you, and I understand you. However, as I mentioned,

Reasoned debate is the way forward, not militant action against those who have nothing to do with your dispute.

If you don't like your employer you can always vote with your feet. One of the reasons we are contractors?

I know it's easy said than done, but to hold a country to ransom (as was the case with the NUM) is simply wrong. It is not my fault that the greedy folks in the finance world got it all wrong (were stupid, corrupt or both), nor is my fault that Unite don't agree with BA.

I am like most of the customers of BA, an innocent bystander. If I went and disrupted the lives of a BA worker, for whatever reason I decided to come up with, I am sure they would not be as supportive.

BA in the main, offer a good product when compared to their competition, and as a customer I wish to continue using their service without being disrupted by someone I have never met, or affected.

Management of any ‘big company’ will always seek to line their own pockets, as well as keep the shareholders happy, it’s just the nature of the beast. BA are not unique, and were not the cause of the financial crisis. I agree if they are cutting staff, wages, and benefits etc, simply to pay themselves huge bonuses, then something needs to be done. However, to ruin the travel plans of you and I is not the way.

So my comments are less about supporting Willie Walsh and the boys, and more about the way unions think they can control the country, dictate to us all, and impact out lives simply to achieve their aims.

Guess who I voted for in the 80s

[DodgyAgent]

hmmm whilst I kind of see the point you are making the fact is this.

The staff feel that BA do not give a toss about them.

Therefore why should they care whether or not BA does well or does badly.

Forget the fact that BA is an icon etc and remember the fact that we are in a recession because of the greed of people who could not care whether the average worker lives or dies.

Why should anyone feel any loyalty to any company when that company will happily turf people out of a job to ensure they meet shareholder profit expectations.

Note we are not talking about companies who are making a loss and therefore need to cut costs to survive we are talking about companies who want to make more profit so they can award themseleves more bonuses than they could ever spend...

And so what if that leaves average Joe on the street with no way to pay his mortgage or feed his kids.

Well spoken brother.. everyone should earn exactly the same

[The Wikir Man]

hmmm whilst I kind of see the point you are making the fact is this.

The staff feel that BA do not give a toss about them.

That's probably true. And probably true of many large companies.

Therefore why should they care whether or not BA does well or does badly.

Because if they do badly, they cut jobs - probably yours.

Simples.

[Advocate]

If you don't like the terms; find another job. Simple Surely?

No-one has a right to a job, that's why you EARN a living....

[original PM]

hmmm whilst I kind of see the point you are making the fact is this.

The staff feel that BA do not give a toss about them.

Therefore why should they care whether or not BA does well or does badly.

Forget the fact that BA is an icon etc and remember the fact that we are in a recession because of the greed of people who could not care whether the average worker lives or dies.

Why should anyone feel any loyalty to any company when that company will happily turf people out of a job to ensure they meet shareholder profit expectations.

Note we are not talking about companies who are making a loss and therefore need to cut costs to survive we are talking about companies who want to make more profit so they can award themseleves more bonuses than they could ever spend...

And so what if that leaves average Joe on the street with no way to pay his mortgage or feed his kids.

[nodric]

Tony Woodley reminds me of the crazed rantings of Scargill in his hey day. Showing my age now

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the dispute, to try and cripple a major British icon in the midst of the worst financial crisis for decades is in my view, treasonable. Do they not see how the airline industry has been decimated over the last few years. Idiots!

The World and his dog are desperately trying to cling onto an income, and here he is advocating all the usual left wing rhetoric of old. Yes, I want to see the boys and girls at BA get a decent wedge, and they are not the worst paid in that industry by far, but to mess with the lives of the general public to achieve some gain, has always been wrong. I remember well how the Labour party and the unions manipulated the UK in the 70s, and how much ordinary folk had to put up with while they played their silly games.

Now we also read about the rail workers, and the gas workers, planning to do the same.

Have they all gone mad?

Wake up people, we are in a mess financially and the recovery is only just starting. If you continue to play these insane games, you will end up out of work, and the money will flow to foreign owned companies eagerly waiting to pick up the remains from yet another failed British institution.

Reasoned debate is the way forward, not militant action against those who have nothing to do with your dispute.

I hope that BA stands it ground, and Unite go the way of the NUM.

Rant over

[threaded]

Does BA really make a loss?

Or is it just fancy accounting that makes it look so.

[original PM]

was it not BA who about a year ago asked every to work for a month for free?

and then did not the senior management team pick up big bonuses based on cost savings of the aforementioned free working month

and this will be the same senior that is refusing to give people a payrise....


not that I really care but it just continues to highlight the greed of many senior managers/stakeholders/directors and really does show that they could not give a flying fe< about anyone but themselves and their bonuses



and to think BA have the Investors in People award...

[sunnysan]

O'Leary

Even Michael O'Leary agrees

http://www.self-catering-breaks.com/news/94321545.html

Of course he would, he is having a laugh winding up the old dino union boss to prolong the strike, and have a bigger laugh watching his bank balance as he leases planes to BA.

I wish he would shut up, I am flying BA on the 31st(Hopefully)