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Reply to: Guardian Poll - Tory Lead Down to 7%
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Originally posted by TimberWolf View PostDoes Russian history provide a full and fair treatment of figures and wartime events, specifically regarding the Rt Hon. Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill KG, OM, CH, TD, FRS, PC?
And if you believe that I'll tell you another one...
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Originally posted by AtW View PostIt teaches how to respectfully address the Great Leader with his full name etc
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Looks to me like Cameron is going out of his way to lose this election.
Look to America and see how there is a grass roots populist right-wing movement called the Tea Party taking shape, ready to reshape American politics, with Sarah Palin emerging a leader in their movement.
They're people who are fed up with increasing tax + spend, immigration out of control, increasing socialism, Christian values ignored, bailouts for some but not others... will there be a similar uprising of the right in Britain?
As clearly the Conservative party don't provide a traditional Conservative platform anymore.
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Originally posted by AtW View Post
Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill
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Originally posted by AtW View PostSo, my question is - did any of the former Conservative Govts ended up with doubling of the national debt in this country, plus personal debt on top?
The levels of personal debt are new.
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Originally posted by s2budd View PostJust think back to prior to 1979 and how Mrs T was seen. She was not seen as a radical. The economic circumstances forced the policies and the various experiments with the economy in order to get it back on track.
She wouldn't have stayed in power either if she hadn't won the Falklands War, the early eighties were extremely painful.
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Originally posted by Gonzo View PostUntil Gordon came along it was exclusively Conservative Chancellors with form for creating unsustainable booms.
So, my question is - did any of the former Conservative Govts ended up with doubling of the national debt in this country, plus personal debt on top?
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Originally posted by MrMark View PostCorrection, it was the Conservative Govt of 70-74, specifically the Barber boom, that knocked the UK economy out of joint. People often make this mistake, and assume the power cuts and 3-day week of the 70s took place under Labour. They didn't, it was under the Conservatives. Still, Mr Brown's done his best to take Mr Barber's position as the biggest wrecker of GB Ltd.
Until Gordon came along it was exclusively Conservative Chancellors with form for creating unsustainable booms.
Reginald Maudling did it in the early sixties.
Anthony Barber did it in the early seventies.
Nigel Lawson did it in the late eighties.
Not that Labour politicians have had the answers mind you. The alarming thing I have heard recently is that governement debt is not really too high and continuing to spend is the right thing to do in the circumstances.
It is all very well listening to economists' and politicians' views on that but the financial market's view could be brutal.
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Originally posted by MrMark View PostAnd if Gordo manages to hold on in a minority government...
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Originally posted by Fred Bloggs View PostRubbish, I'm certainly not Mrs T's biggest fan, but Cameron isn't fit to lick her boots.
From my point of view the biggest failing is having Dave's chum George as the prospective Chancellor. If he had put someone with gravitas in that role (Hague? Clarke?) a lot of people would feel comfortable in voting Conservative (perhaps). It doesn't help that they've wobbled several times in recent weeks over policy - if they're doing that now prior to the election proper, what they going to do once in power and really under pressure?
Grrr, it's just too depressing to think about isn't it? And if Gordo manages to hold on in a minority government...
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Originally posted by Fred Bloggs View PostRubbish, I'm certainly not Mrs T's biggest fan, but Cameron isn't fit to lick her boots.
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