Reply to: Bad Back

[Witchywoo]

You should try bakballs, a bit like 2 tennis balls fixed together but you lie with your spine in the gap and move it down a couple of inches every 30 seconds or so. It sorted my back out in just 2 days. Worth a go at about £20.

[vetran]

If it hasn't gone in a week or so then it is worth getting it checked.

Maybe it will put the brakes on private medical later but as happened to friend of mine he nearly left it too late they opened him up like a suitcase lungs , stomach etc slopped to the side to fix a serious back problem. He could of waited and ended up in a wheelchair.

[TimberWolf]

The whisky remedy does sound worth considering, given that off the counter painkillers are tulip.

[chef]

Sounds a lot like you did some exercise.

Have a beer or two (as a painkiller / muscle relaxant) and don't do any more for a couple of days. You'll be right as rain.

your advice will be taken

[doodab]

Sounds a lot like you did some exercise.

Have a beer or two (as a painkiller / muscle relaxant) and don't do any more for a couple of days. You'll be right as rain.

[Mich the Tester]

nothing too heavy as such but put it this way, I wouldn't have risked farting at the same time while lifting the stuff.. rest a day or 2, will do.



V accurate, high up back pain is where it hurts



yes pain came on slowly, i.e morning stiffness (oo matron) when I got up which by the time the 4hr train journey ended turned into robotic style moving only..

arms aren't tired but then they get a work out quite reguarly given I work away all week erm errr cleaning the hapartment and so forth..

All in all a top diagnosis, the cheque is in the post and i'll have a whiskey (for the pain) and hot bath (for the muscles) relaxation tonight

I wonder if Germany sells Matey bubble bath stuff?

Sounds like DOMS. If you’re really ‘ard you might want to try contrast water therapy. Run a warm bath. Get in the bath fully immersed at a comfortable, but pretty warm temperature. Thenget in a cold shower (as cold as the water is in your home) for 1 minute and let the cold water run over your shoulders. Then get back in the bath and warm up. Repeat 3 to 5 times.

It’s not conclusively proven and research continues, but this is being used by many top sportspeople who feel it helps in recovering from muscle soreness. It’s not much fun but I’ve found it helpful. I think the scientific consensus is that ‘it works for some people sometimes’.

[norrahe]

whs

Physios can do excellent work in helping you to live with an injury that won’t heal completely, but they can’t do diagnosis (orthopaedic specialists do that) and they can’t cure you.

If it's serious and recurring ask your doc to refer you to a specialist. they will then do their ncessary and you will then be referred to a physio who will give you exercises to help with the ailment and improve flexibility.

At least that's what happened to Mr Norr when he had tow bad operations.

The physio will give you a set of exercises that you can do prior to exercise and heavy lifting to prevent a recurrance.

[chef]

If you didn’t feel any sudden pain while lugging stuff about and you didn’t try to lift something you’re not capable of lifting then it’s probably just fatigue and perhaps slightly pulled muscles. Take it easy for a few days; if it’s DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) it might be worse tomorrow and then start to subside. Same still goes; rest for a while by lying on your back on a hard surface and perhaps have a bath, but it’ll take a few days. If you’re still having trouble after 3 to 4 days, or if there’s one particular point (not a large area) where there’s a lot of pain then see a doc.

nothing too heavy as such but put it this way, I wouldn't have risked farting at the same time while lifting the stuff.. rest a day or 2, will do.

If you’ve been lifting stuff off the ground then you’ve probably used the trapezius and teres major and teres minor muscles; these muscles are high up in the back, among other movements they pull the shoulders backwards and upwards or hold them steady and are not often trained by people who don’t row, climb or lift weights, so they’re vulnerable to fatigue in lifting motions.

V accurate, high up back pain is where it hurts

You might also feel pain because of intervertebral discs being slightly compressed by the weight; again, if the pain came on slowly as opposed to a sudden pain then it’s probably fatigue and should go away.

Are your arms tired too?

yes pain came on slowly, i.e morning stiffness (oo matron) when I got up which by the time the 4hr train journey ended turned into robotic style moving only..

arms aren't tired but then they get a work out quite reguarly given I work away all week erm errr cleaning the hapartment and so forth..

All in all a top diagnosis, the cheque is in the post and i'll have a whiskey (for the pain) and hot bath (for the muscles) relaxation tonight

I wonder if Germany sells Matey bubble bath stuff?

[Mich the Tester]

I would disagree, my experiance with physio's is that the majority of them give you exercises that teach you how to live with the problem, rather than fixing it (e.g. if you know something out of place they will give you exercises to build up your muscles so that you can get up and about again rather than knockign that something back into place). IMHO it is better to see a back professional to get the root cause of the problem fixed first, and then go see the physio to get the exercises to get you up and running again.

whs

Physios can do excellent work in helping you to live with an injury that won’t heal completely, but they can’t do diagnosis (orthopaedic specialists do that) and they can’t cure you.

[Ardesco]

All being well time and ibuprofen will sort things out, but well worth getting a once over from a physio.

I would disagree, my experiance with physio's is that the majority of them give you exercises that teach you how to live with the problem, rather than fixing it (e.g. if you know something out of place they will give you exercises to build up your muscles so that you can get up and about again rather than knockign that something back into place). IMHO it is better to see a back professional to get the root cause of the problem fixed first, and then go see the physio to get the exercises to get you up and running again.

[Mich the Tester]

It was caused by a combination of

- lugging 2 solid oak benches (and I mean solid oak not these MDF with oak veneer fakes) up 3 floors, old bulding therefore no lift
- 60kg of cat litter gravel stuff, there's only 2 cats and no they don't carp that much it's just gf chef going mad and bulk buying for a piddly discount and turning up after shopping with a "p p pleeease help" look

thanks for the diet tip, that's a sure fire way to guarantee no more for a while..

If you didn’t feel any sudden pain while lugging stuff about and you didn’t try to lift something you’re not capable of lifting then it’s probably just fatigue and perhaps slightly pulled muscles. Take it easy for a few days; if it’s DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness) it might be worse tomorrow and then start to subside. Same still goes; rest for a while by lying on your back on a hard surface and perhaps have a bath, but it’ll take a few days. If you’re still having trouble after 3 to 4 days, or if there’s one particular point (not a large area) where there’s a lot of pain then see a doc.

If you’ve been lifting stuff off the ground then you’ve probably used the trapezius and teres major and teres minor muscles; these muscles are high up in the back, among other movements they pull the shoulders backwards and upwards or hold them steady and are not often trained by people who don’t row, climb or lift weights, so they’re vulnerable to fatigue in lifting motions.

You might also feel pain because of intervertebral discs being slightly compressed by the weight; again, if the pain came on slowly as opposed to a sudden pain then it’s probably fatigue and should go away.

Are your arms tired too?

[Spacecadet]

take a little bit of oak, and a grain of cat litter
Mix with water and shake it
Mix that with more water and shake it
mix that mixture with even more water and shake it some more
then do the previous 3 steps again.

send me a cheque for £500

then place 3 drops of the solution on your back

If that doesn't work then nothing will

[chef]

It was caused by a combination of

- lugging 2 solid oak benches (and I mean solid oak not these MDF with oak veneer fakes) up 3 floors, old bulding therefore no lift
- 60kg of cat litter gravel stuff, there's only 2 cats and no they don't carp that much it's just gf chef going mad and bulk buying for a piddly discount and turning up after shopping with a "p p pleeease help" look

thanks for the diet tip, that's a sure fire way to guarantee no more for a while..

[Mich the Tester]

And what can a professional do for a bad back aside from prescribing a sick note and possibly damaging your health record if you ever want to sign up for private medicine? About as much as a Witch Doctor, which is a considerable amount for many people.

Not necessarily. If chef has an acute injury, for instance bone damage or a torn muscle, an orthopedic surgeon can perhaps operate or prescribe the right kind of therapy. However, the first possibility to eliminate is that chef is just tired after doing something he’s not accustomed to doing, so for the first few days they probably wouldn’t do anything unless there’s something obvious like a major bruise, a new deformity or a cut.

[TimberWolf]

Hot bath, ibuprofen and reduce strenous exercise few a few days. Walk not fight. Swimming is great. If still bad in a week then see a professional.

And what can a professional do for a bad back aside from prescribing a sick note and possibly damaging your health record if you ever want to sign up for private medicine? About as much as a Witch Doctor, which is a considerable amount for many people.