Reply to: Offshoring - The Moral & Economic Case

[pzz76077]

yeesss, but what type of sp*nk-rag are we talking here ?

The Aristotelian idealist 'form' of the sp*nk-rag or the Marxist dialectical materialist 'actual' sp*nk-rag


I am not sure

Marxist, no doubt about it.

PZZ

[pzz76077]

yeah. the w @nker

Yea, WHS with bells on..

PZZ

[EternalOptimist]

Oh right now I see.........

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...-pzz76077.html

Sp*nk-rag

yeesss, but what type of sp*nk-rag are we talking here ?

The Aristotelian idealist 'form' of the sp*nk-rag or the Marxist dialectical materialist 'actual' sp*nk-rag


I am not sure

[sasguru]

Yes, given the current state of the market the best strategy appears to be to re-skill in something different than IT.

Most reasonably intelligent people can buy a book and "skill" themselves in a given programming language in a few months at the most. Low barriers to entry - hence the commoditisation of IT.

So yes reskill in something that has high barriers to entry either because (1) it is a closed shop, like being a barrister in England or (2) requires an IQ in the top level of the population or (3) requires a long series of gruelling exams like chartered accountancy.

As (1) or (2) are not possible for you, I would suggest (3).

[Francko]

That is the strategy i'm taking. That said adapting the legal framework to benefit the government & people is a good way to overcome.

Yes, given the current state of the market the best strategy appears to be to re-skill in something different than IT.

[phil5476]

Oh right now I see.........

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...-pzz76077.html

Sp*nk-rag

[EternalOptimist]

Pzz,

You didn't spend anytime reading the OP did you.

I've been reading this thread trying to discern what your argument actually is. You seem to hop from 'its racist' to 'offshoring is ok' to some lightweight economic arguments.

I made the OP quite specific in the hope that it would stimulate some reasoned debate and AVOID getting bogged down in irrelevant offshoots. But you managed to screw that up. Funny thing about people who don't want to take the time to understand something is that they always try and bring everyone down to their level.

yeah. the w @nker

[phil5476]

Pzz,

You didn't spend anytime reading the OP did you.

I've been reading this thread trying to discern what your argument actually is. You seem to hop from 'its racist' to 'offshoring is ok' to some lightweight economic arguments.

I made the OP quite specific in the hope that it would stimulate some reasoned debate and AVOID getting bogged down in irrelevant offshoots. But you managed to screw that up. Funny thing about people who don't want to take the time to understand something is that they always try and bring everyone down to their level.

[phil5476]

Adapt, re-skill and overcome (or roll over and die), innit...

That is the strategy i'm taking. That said adapting the legal framework to benefit the government & people is a good way to overcome.

[phil5476]

QUOTE:
'It is about Indian staff are body shopped into UK offices. Last year there were by some estimates 55000 'offshore' people onshore. Many of these roles (in my experience) are not suitable to be located in India. So that's c.55000 UK redundancies.'

The core of your argument is completely wrong. 55k ICT's did not lead to 55k UK redundancies.

The options were, 55k ICTs come here to work or the work gets done by 55k Indians in India.
Which of these is best for the UK ??

PZZ

All my arguments are wrong to you as you don't even read the bits you quote.

[minestrone]

If someone comes into the country from out with the EU to work then their employers should be forced to pay them the top percentile rather than the lowest percentile wages like just now, that way you can be sure the local labour market is truly exhausted and you are only hiring the very best from outside.

It would never happen though.

[Francko]

You could always bugger off to Italy! Those Olives won't pick themselves!

I bugger off every weekend for shopping there. I am about 25 km off from the border. :-)

Problem is that an IT consultant in Italy has always made the same money as an olive picker.

[HairyArsedBloke]

Top skills for the new economy:

Lying
Cheating
Stealing

I'm BOOOOOOOOOMED!

[doodab]

Top skills for the new economy:

Lying
Cheating
Stealing

[HairyArsedBloke]

p.s. I don't go sarf of the river. Before you ask.

That's alright, I never go sarf of the river anyway. I'm not sure I would ever want to ride in a cab where the driver would go sarf, who knows what you could catch in that cab.