Reply to: Why I wont vote Tory

[Scary]

Looking at Far East, while I'm still working
Maybe somewhere like Greece for retirement.

Wait until the drachma's devalued a couple of times before moving any money there.

[DodgyAgent]

Looking at Far East, while I'm still working
Maybe somewhere like Greece for retirement.

If Thai ladyboys are your cup of tea then fine.

[sasguru]

Emigrate to where exactly? Greece? property will be cheap at least.

Looking at Far East, while I'm still working
Maybe somewhere like Greece for retirement.

[DodgyAgent]

I keep saying - the cake is too small.
In another generation we'll be like Greece or Spain except without the family support that those countries have.
It all started with Thatcher who declared society dead, the individual and the free market supreme. Her intellectual heirs who included such unlikely bed-fellows as the Republican party and Blair and Brown's New Labour took that philosophy to its logical extreme, hence an economic collapse born of greed and hubris.
When this country learns that in the modern world there needs to be some form of consensus between the different stakeholders in society (what traditional Tories used to call one-nation conservatism) then there will be no hope.
Until that time, emigration seems to me the only option left if you want to avoid the dreary economic years ahead.

Emigrate to where exactly? Greece? property will be cheap at least.

[sasguru]

Sorry chaps, I posted that under wrong login.

No one believes you have the intellect to have made that post.

HTH

[doodab]

It's the "Vote Green - nobody get's hurt" thing I object to.

The Green party is a front for extreme Marxists.

Ah. In that case perhaps leave them be. I thought it was a front for harmless lentil eating sandal wearing freaks who nobody takes seriously.

[AtW]

I keep saying - the cake is too small.
In another generation we'll be like Greece or Spain except without the family support that those countries have.
It all started with Thatcher who declared society dead, the individual and the free market supreme. Her intellectual heirs who included such unlikely bed-fellows as the Republican party and Blair and Brown's New Labour took that philosophy to its logical extreme, hence an economic collapse born of greed and hubris.
When this country learns that in the modern world there needs to be some form of consensus between the different stakeholders in society (what traditional Tories used to call one-nation conservatism) then there will be hope.
Until that time, emigration seems to me the only option left if you want to avoid the dreary economic years ahead.

Sorry chaps, I posted that under wrong login.

[doodab]

Well, the only answer for you is to hide in a cave and feel sorry for yourself, or just whinge for the rest of your life, or move abroad to somewhere more to your taste.

If voting is so hopeless, I'd be interested to know what people here want from a political system. How would you organise it?

As long as you have a population of human beings choosing a "leader" from a pool of human beings whose only qualifications are a desire to be chosen and a willingness to do what it takes to get there you will have a sorry mess.

Personally I would prefer an educated and capable governing caste, aware that they are doing an important job for the benefit of everyone and employing evidence based policy to please most of the people most of the time and occasionally giving them what they need instead of what they want.

At a pinch, I would accept that those who run for office should be able to spell, do simple sums in their head, accept the laws of physics cannot be modified willy nilly, and tell right from wrong.

[sasguru]

I keep saying - the cake is too small.
In another generation we'll be like Greece or Spain except without the family support that those countries have.
It all started with Thatcher who declared society dead, the individual and the free market supreme. Her intellectual heirs who included such unlikely bed-fellows as the Republican party and Blair and Brown's New Labour took that philosophy to its logical extreme, hence an economic collapse born of greed and hubris.
When this country learns that in the modern world there needs to be some form of consensus between the different stakeholders in society (what traditional Tories used to call one-nation conservatism) then there will be no hope.
Until that time, emigration seems to me the only option left if you want to avoid the dreary economic years ahead.

[HairyArsedBloke]

It's the "Vote Green - nobody get's hurt" thing I object to.

The Green party is a front for extreme Marxists.

[DodgyAgent]

It is simple, Dodgy. If you think the current party has done OK, vote for them to carry on for another five years.

Have they managed the government well? Is high unemployment and high taxation now a distant memory?

Alternatively, remember that a protest vote against all the main parties is in most cases a vote for the current government, so feel free to do that instead.

You are not exactly uplifting are you?

[Doggy Styles]

There is no hope.

I think this always has been and will remain the case whomever you vote for.

Well, the only answer for you is to hide in a cave and feel sorry for yourself, or just whinge for the rest of your life, or move abroad to somewhere more to your taste.

If voting is so hopeless, I'd be interested to know what people here want from a political system. How would you organise it?

[doodab]

There is no hope.

I think this always has been and will remain the case whomever you vote for.

[Doggy Styles]

Why I wont vote Tory

It is simple, Dodgy. If you think the current party has done OK, vote for them to carry on for another five years.

Have they managed the government well? Is high unemployment and high taxation now a distant memory?

Alternatively, remember that a protest vote against all the main parties is in most cases a vote for the current government, so feel free to do that instead.

[HairyArsedBloke]

Vote green. At least no one will get hurt.

FFS.

There is no hope.