Reply to: Can the unthinkable happen?

[Mich the Tester]

According to Cameron's mandate the project I'm currently working on will be cancelled under a Tory Government. The hardware/buildings/infrastructure is already in place, we're playing catch-up with the software - yet the whole project *will* be canned after a Tory victory - ah well, make hay while the sun shines...

He’s probably right though. Liebore have spent too much money they don’t have on systems nobody needs and which will probably cause more trouble and expense than they’re worth.

I’d like to hear Cameron taking a harder line on public spending, particularly because the euroland politicians will disagree with him. It’s time for someone to stand up and tell them they’re wrong, and that what is needed is for all governments in Europe to rethink every aspect of spending and identify those tasks which cannot be carried out in any other way than with public spending and quite simply stop spending on everything else. The whole of Europe is running deficits and it just has to stop. Governments need a new discipline of only spending the money they have instead of making wild projections of economic growth and then spending the money they hope to get next year. Mrs Thatcher would have had the courage of her convictions to tell the whole of Europe ‘you’re wrong and I’m right’, and Mr Cameron should do the same.

[HairyArsedBloke]

Isn't the likelihood of a Tory win what's propping up the UK economy? Or put in terms I've seen recently "Labour are leveraging The Fiscal Credibility Of The Tories".

True, I think the fall in Sterling over the last few days is, in part, down to some waking up to the fact that Cameron is a crock of tulip.

[pzz76077]

As per my Stalin quote earlier, Brown is now changing the voting system to ensure that nothing changes: http://www.politics.co.uk/news/legal...s-$1357172.htm

PZZ

[Churchill]

And Brown is regarded as prudent navigator who'd steer good ship Britannia through choppy waters ahead?

Cameron changed talk about immediate cuts because it presents obvious point of attack for ze Liebor. It's not even him in all probability - Osborne was (probably) made to change his mind about cuts by Ken Clarke who's got far more experience in treasury Osborne will ever have (even if he gets to be a chancellor, something I hope won't last long).

According to Cameron's mandate the project I'm currently working on will be cancelled under a Tory Government. The hardware/buildings/infrastructure is already in place, we're playing catch-up with the software - yet the whole project *will* be canned after a Tory victory - ah well, make hay while the sun shines...

[AtW]

During last week's conference in Davos, he realised that he was setting himself up to be regarded as either a sick joke or a menace to the world economy. As a result he's now having to backtrack rapidly, the alternative being that the rest of the world will regard him as an unacceptable risk and will cast the UK into the wilderness if he gains power.

And Brown is regarded as prudent navigator who'd steer good ship Britannia through choppy waters ahead?

Cameron changed talk about immediate cuts because it presents obvious point of attack for ze Liebor. It's not even him in all probability - Osborne was (probably) made to change his mind about cuts by Ken Clarke who's got far more experience in treasury Osborne will ever have (even if he gets to be a chancellor, something I hope won't last long).

[TimberWolf]

I don't think we require any intervention from external sources to get ourselves firmly onto the scrapheap. We are more than capable regardless who wins.
FWIW, I think the Tories will get in, but with not a particularly large majority.

Isn't the likelihood of a Tory win what's propping up the UK economy? Or put in terms I've seen recently "Labour are leveraging The Fiscal Credibility Of The Tories".

[HairyArsedBloke]

It would be interesting to speculate how long Labour would last if they were elected. The Pound would presumably fall pretty quickly and unemployment, interest rates, calls to MFI [sic] come soon after?

oh, yes.

Best thing that could happen. It's all going to blow up anyway. Let it blow up in nuLieBore's face.

Once this has happened, the process of reconstruction can begin. Sadly, it can't be any other way.

[Doggy Styles]

I did mention last year that Labour will in fact retain power with a reduced majority - the economy is improving - house prices are rising - unemplyment is falling and Cameron seems to be unconvincing - making polices on the hoof. [/I]

The economy is not improving, it is getting worse.

It only looks like it is improving at the moment. On the run up to the election.

But I agree that Cameron seems to be making a pig's ear out of a silk purse. He even makes George Osborne sound good. He should have just sit on his hands and let Labour implode.

[shaunbhoy]

Much safer for him to talk very loudly about other "ideas" that actually mean nothing but won't lead the rest of the world to consign us to the scrapheap the moment he gains power

I don't think we require any intervention from external sources to get ourselves firmly onto the scrapheap. We are more than capable regardless who wins.
FWIW, I think the Tories will get in, but with not a particularly large majority.

[AlfredJPruffock]

I think there is a very good chance of nuLieBore remaining in power.

I did mention last year that Labour will in fact retain power with a reduced majority - the economy is improving - house prices are rising - unemplyment is falling and Cameron seems to be unconvincing - making polices on the hoof.

What really swung it for Brown was the failure of the SNP in Scotland to win Labour seats - meanwhile the extreme right gained Conservative seats in the South leading to Labours surprise 2010 re-election - not unlike John Majors surprise re-election.

Of course it helps if you have a Tardis handy for these matters, OK I know its only a model 40 but its better than nowt.

[Tarquin Farquhar]

Would agree, if I was Cameron, Id let Liebor win the next election.

PZZ

Snag there is that the Tories would then win later, but with a different leader, and I presume that is not in the Cameron game plan.

[NickFitz]

What I don't understand is Cameron's apparent U-Turn on cuts.

Cameron has been happy to say any old tulip if it got people on his side. However, what he says about the economic situation has international ramifications.

During last week's conference in Davos, he realised that he was setting himself up to be regarded as either a sick joke or a menace to the world economy. As a result he's now having to backtrack rapidly, the alternative being that the rest of the world will regard him as an unacceptable risk and will cast the UK into the wilderness if he gains power.

This is why he's suddenly started prattling a lot of garbage about home affairs like burglars: he's trying to cover up for the fact that he has been exposed as an empty vessel making too much noise when it comes to the economy. Much safer for him to talk very loudly about other "ideas" that actually mean nothing but won't lead the rest of the world to consign us to the scrapheap the moment he gains power and tries to implement his ill-thought-out and utterly impractical excuses for policies.

Interestingly enough, Cameron's and Brown's policies for dealing with the economy are now virtually identical, the only differences being in minor areas: the fundamentals are the same.

I always said he was all mouth and Boden trousers, but it's good to see him being exposed as a useless fraud so early in the game

[Gonzo]

Brown winning the next election? The media seem to be turning the heat on the Tories at the moment & Brown's getting some positive coverage. Think I'll be fast tracking my move to Spain if that shower get in again!

Looking at it from afar it does appear that the Conservatives could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

There is still plenty of time for more economic bad news though and that will only reduce Labour's chances.

[pzz76077]

How will a defunct furniture retailer be able to help?

Would Gordo need an new cabinet??
Or a couple of extra benches??

PZZ

[Peoplesoft bloke]

It would be interesting to speculate how long Labour would last if they were elected. The Pound would presumably fall pretty quickly and unemployment, interest rates, calls to MFI come soon after?

How will a defunct furniture retailer be able to help?