Reply to: "Legal fair dodging"

[threaded]

That's what you get when you live in a country with so few people there's only one train company.

There are several bus and train companies but only one metro company.

We even have Arriva over here, and they apparently work, more or less.

[Moscow Mule]

Now, in the civilised world a ticket from A to B is valid whatever the route, whether it is bus, train, metro or whatever combination, and if you decide to get off early you can.

They've also made it so you don't need a ticket for your bicycle any longer.

Remember guys and gals: vote early, vote often!

That's what you get when you live in a country with so few people there's only one train company.

[Platypus]

That's what the conductor called it, I've been told that if I get off at Peterborough and not Kings Cross I'll be charged an additional £140.

IMO unlikely: there's a way out at P'boro which doesn't go through the ticket hall and past the ticket inspectors. Are the ticket inspectors there on the exits anyway? Not that often so I hear. What if you say you have no money, how can they force you to pay?

[threaded]

Now, in the civilised world a ticket from A to B is valid whatever the route, whether it is bus, train, metro or whatever combination, and if you decide to get off early you can.

They've also made it so you don't need a ticket for your bicycle any longer.

Remember guys and gals: vote early, vote often!

[Drewster]

That's what the conductor called it, I've been told that if I get off at Peterborough and not Kings Cross (where my ticket is too) I'll be charged an additional £140.

I've purchased the London fair because it's £140 cheaper than a return to Peterborough, I'll pass through the station anyway.

I give up. It's litter wonder I'm the only person in the coach.

from P'Boro......

[NeverBeenNorthOfTheM25]

I've probably spent about £14,000 in cab fares since that £10 penalty fare (all through my LtdCo, of course). Instead of about £3,000 in underground tickets.
.

And do you really think they care? Dude!! Theres principals, then theres just outright being silly ..........

[Doggy Styles]

Well I tried but it cost more to travel by train and even then it's the most complicated system to understand, when it comes to purchasing a ticket.

Global warming is a myth, did no one tell you?

Subs? Recent photos?

[Moscow Mule]

So it's actually fdown to the train operators to publicise whether you can stop at an intermediate station or not.

National Rail has conditions for 3 ticket types:

Anytime - can break journey
Off-Peak - can break journey
Advance - can't break journey

I think all train companies are adopting this ticket structure?

[scooterscot]

You evil global-warming person.

The likes of you won't be happy until we have submarines able to surface at the north pole.

Well I tried but it cost more to travel by train and even then it's the most complicated system to understand, when it comes to purchasing a ticket.

Global warming is a myth, did no one tell you?

[DaveB]

My wife travels on Virgin to London a few times a week. It is necessary to have both your ticket AND the separate seat reservation for either to be valid. She says that most mornings she sees someone have to pay despite holding a valid ticket because they don't have the seat reservation part. But that's a different scam.


Anyway, regarding your problem, which is quite a common one. (By the way, on one of the National Rail Enquiries pages for ticket information, there is a clearly absent link to the "terms and conditions" relating to tickets and a picture of a narrowboat rather than a train. Are they having a laugh?)

Anyway, sitting on that site is:

but your problem is such a common one that the above should be on notices in the stations, not just on a web site. Except it isn't because that wouldn't make them more money, would it?

Instead, they invent these rules and keep quiet about them, knowing that over time they will catch a couple of million people and hit them with a penalty. And some scumbag actually wrote a business case about that at some point in the past and a change committee approved it.

But just to compicate things if you go to the National Rail COnditions of Carriage it says

C. USE OF TICKETS
16. Starting, breaking or ending a journey at intermediate stations
You may start, or break and resume, a journey (in either direction in the case of a return
ticket) at any intermediate station, as long as the ticket you hold is valid for the trains you
want to use. You may also end your journey (in either direction in the case of a return
ticket) before the destination shown on the ticket. However, these rights may not apply to
some types of tickets for which a break of journey is prohibited, in which case the relevant
Train Companies will make this clear in their notices and other publications.

So it's actually fdown to the train operators to publicise whether you can stop at an intermediate station or not.

And having done a very wuick search on the Virgin Rail site the only reference I can find in their T&C's is to the National Conditions quoted above.

[Doggy Styles]

I suppose it's back to the plane next week...

You evil global-warming person.

The likes of you won't be happy until we have submarines able to surface at the north pole.

[Moscow Mule]

But given how unpleasant the underground is, and how nice it is being chauffeured from door-to-door, London Underground can **** right off as far as I'm concerned.

If you know when you're going to want to go, these guys are much more fun than a black cab

http://www.virgin.com/subsites/virginlimobike/link.html

[scooterscot]

I suppose it's back to the plane next week...

[RichardCranium]

Did they take into account the likely future travel decisions of passengers that they treat this way?

I got done for a £10 penalty fare on the London Underground in the 1990s when I had a ticket. I appealed and they just passed it to a debt collection agency. That was the last straw for me and after that I travelled by black cab instead each way from Euston to Southwark every day for about 2 or 3 years. I have only used the London Underground a handful of times since then, typically when with someone else.

I've probably spent about £14,000 in cab fares since that £10 penalty fare (all through my LtdCo, of course). Instead of about £3,000 in underground tickets.

But given how unpleasant the underground is, and how nice it is being chauffeured from door-to-door, London Underground can **** right off as far as I'm concerned.

[Julius Caesar]

Instead, they invent these rules and keep quiet about them, knowing that over time they will catch a couple of million people and hit them with a penalty. And some scumbag actually wrote a business case about that at some point in the past and a change committee approved it.

Did they take into account the likely future travel decisions of passengers that they treat this way?