Edlington attack - no comments

[DodgyAgent]

Another few years the boys will be released, given new lives, jobs and flown off to Canada/Australia and come back to Blighty as fully qualified recruitment agentsSound familiar?

[ratewhore]

I would expect to see sentances of between 20-30 years and Life, with parole conditional on satisfactory psychatric evaluations.

Sent down for an indeterminate period with a minimum of 5 years.

[ratewhore]

It seems the judge in the case has been refused access to the social service report on the attackers. Read into this what you will, but it seems history is repeating itself:

The BBC has revealed that a shortened report that will be published after the boys are sentenced removes references to “very serious shortcomings” by care professionals and a failure “to comply with legal duties”.

Full article here.

[RichardCranium]

I read somewhere this morning that they will be out before they are 18

That's what the papers were saying last year too. That, regardless of the sentence, they'll have new names, jobs, a bank account balance and somewhere to live by their 18th birthdays.

[BoredBloke]

They wern't done for attempted murder partly because at the time of the assault they were below the age of criminal responcibility and partly because burden of proof for a murder charge is higher than that for assault/gbh/abh with intent.

This does not mean that they will not get substantial sentances. The only differance between a convition for murder and a conviction for another aussault is the minimum tariff set for sentancing, it does not affect the maximum sentance the judge can impose.

Just because they were not convivcted of murder does not mean they will not get a long sentance. Indeed the psychiatric reports of the younger of the two indicate that he is a seriously disturbed individual who will pose a significant threat to the public in future and he is likely to get a sentance of life or close to it in a secure hospital.

I would expect to see sentances of between 20-30 years and Life, with parole conditional on satisfactory psychatric evaluations.

I read somewhere this morning that they will be out before they are 18

[DaveB]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/8472265.stm

Quite frankly I cannot understand why these two were not done for attempted murder.

They wern't done for attempted murder partly because at the time of the assault they were below the age of criminal responcibility and partly because burden of proof for a murder charge is higher than that for assault/gbh/abh with intent.

This does not mean that they will not get substantial sentances. The only differance between a convition for murder and a conviction for another aussault is the minimum tariff set for sentancing, it does not affect the maximum sentance the judge can impose.

Just because they were not convivcted of murder does not mean they will not get a long sentance. Indeed the psychiatric reports of the younger of the two indicate that he is a seriously disturbed individual who will pose a significant threat to the public in future and he is likely to get a sentance of life or close to it in a secure hospital.

I would expect to see sentances of between 20-30 years and Life, with parole conditional on satisfactory psychatric evaluations.

[RichardCranium]

Lucky colonies, getting our psychos.

We get theirs.

[RichardCranium]

Quite frankly I cannot understand why these two were not done for attempted murder.

According to the paper at the time, it was because that requires a higher level of proof that would be difficult to achieve in this case and they may get off, and to save the victims from a harsh cross-examination.

Not a satisfactory explanation, methinks. When the two victims are older, I suspect they will not be satisfied.

[Churchill]

Another few years the boys will be released, given new lives, jobs and flown off to Canada/Australia.

Sound familiar?

[OwlHoot]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/8472265.stm

Quite frankly I cannot understand why these two were not done for attempted murder.

Haven't we been through this? At the time of the incident they were (or one of them certainly) doli incapax or below the age of criminal responsibility.

[original PM]

scum

should be shot

as should there quite evidently pointless parents.

in fact even better lets just take them into a wood kick the tulip out of them and leave them to die.

[ratewhore]

Sickening. I hope the victims are recovering well.

[BoredBloke]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...re/8472265.stm

Quite frankly I cannot understand why these two were not done for attempted murder.