Reply to: Climategate

[gingerjedi]

seems fairly balanced, from BBC article....

But the rest of the continent has remained largely immune from the global trend of rising temperatures.

Indeed, the continent's largest portion, East Antarctica, appears to have cooled, bringing a 10% increase in the sea ice extent since 1980.

So why didn't the article header read 'Some ice melts but not to worry as more ice forms'.

[Bagpuss]

Two more contradictory snippets:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8387137.stm

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225700046908

I'm going right off the BBC of late.

seems fairly balanced, from BBC article....

But the rest of the continent has remained largely immune from the global trend of rising temperatures.

Indeed, the continent's largest portion, East Antarctica, appears to have cooled, bringing a 10% increase in the sea ice extent since 1980.

[EternalOptimist]

Why's that? Do you think He might have f**ked up the spec. for water?

I think the old guy likes water, thats why he miraculously intervened in the process.
I dont know if science produces a reasonable explanation for this at all

[RichardCranium]

if water behaved like other material, and kept on getting denser till it froze, the ice would sink.

This is a better argument for the existence of God than all the holy books and all the holy men in the world.

Why's that? Do you think He might have f**ked up the spec. for water?

[EternalOptimist]

if water behaved like other material, and kept on getting denser till it froze, the ice would sink.
There would soon be an ice sheet on the sea bed that would never melt. It would get thicker and thicker till the planet was a dead snowball.

This is a better argument for the existance of God than all the holy books and all the holy men in the world.

[threaded]

Two more contradictory snippets:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8387137.stm

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225700046908

I'm going right off the BBC of late.

Quite. The reasons the sea doesn't freeze solid, and your fish live through the winter in wish ponds, is that water gets denser as it cools to a point and then starts to float back up as ice. So this thermal expansion they talk of, would have to be some pretty extreme rise in temperature.

Ice sheets float on water, if they melt the water level will most likely stay the same, it's Archimedes principle innit, and if anything else, drop as explained above. Unless of course we start getting Palm trees growing in the Antarctic like they did a few million years ago, but back then the whole world was wetter and lots more water was held in bio-mass and the sea-levels were lower...

[EternalOptimist]

So, in conclusion ....

There is no shame in taking the 'I am just not sure' position.
Watch out for emotive language and blood curdling warnings.

[gingerjedi]

Two more contradictory snippets:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8387137.stm

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1225700046908

I'm going right off the BBC of late.

[TimberWolf]

In conclusion both sides probably have ulterior motives and likely will be cashing in. Best not to believe climate change exists or not exists. I think that's the idea I will push when my book and DVD's come out; telling people not to be pulled in by either side of the debate.

[Bagpuss]

...some people on here believe journalists more than they do scientists.
Post links to articles that have been seized on by creationists and
this is despite the fact that without science we wouldn't have this forum to voice our little opinions, instead we'd be sat in the dark going "Ugg". It's the way forward, apparently.

[suityou01]

So, in conclusion ....

[TimberWolf]

Linky

He's a known loony:

Via his long-running column in the UK's Sunday Telegraph, Booker has claimed that man-made global warming was "disproved" in 2008[1], that white asbestos is "chemically identical to talcum powder" and poses a "non-existent risk" to human health[2], that "scientific evidence to support [the] belief that inhaling other people's smoke causes cancer simply does not exist"[3] and that there is "no proof that BSE causes CJD in humans"[4]. He has also defended the theory of Intelligent Design, maintaining that Darwinians "rest their case on nothing more than blind faith and unexamined a priori assumptions".[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Booker

[gingerjedi]

Linky

I also found this on there.

BBC bias??

[suityou01]

Big brother censors google

Linky

A fantastic article written by Christopher Brooker of the London Telegraph exposing the climate change fraud rocketed to the very top of a Google News search for “global warming,” only to disappear hours later.

[EternalOptimist]

I am normally very good at online research and can usually get to the root arguments of a subject quite quickly, then find peer-reviewed evidence to support one side more than the other.

I bowed out of having an opinion on the global warming thing ages ago as there is so much vested interest out there confusing the science and poor work being incorrectly reported as 'proof' or even 'evidence'.

I worry that HAB is right; the arts-graduate meedja are going to use this to debunk science even more and make society even worse than it already is as a consequence.

This ongoing dumbing down of the population could end up killing millions.

The nice thing about being a sceptic is that you are not saying 'there is no AGW', you are saying 'Please convince me'

They are not going to convince me with spin, hype or insults,
being painted as a holocaust denier is not doing their cause any good at all