Reply to: The sad choice facing Britain today ...

[HairyArsedBloke]

That's why nursing staff will soon require a degree. I assume Cleaning and Giving A Damn is on the syllabus.

I must add that the worst offenders were agency staff who were more interested in getting their time sheets signed than doing their job (recognises this?). All of the ones I met were from overseas.

[Doggy Styles]

However, some parts of the ward were filthy and dangerous. It was not the fault of cleaners but of other patients and nursing staff that didn't give a damn. I fell lucky to get out of there alive.

That's why nursing staff will soon require a degree. I assume Cleaning and Giving A Damn is on the syllabus.

[HairyArsedBloke]

There is no such thing as an "NHS cleaner" it's all been outsourced now...

About a year ago I had a spell in hospital. The cleaners were the nicest people there. The nice lady, Indian as it happens, was wonderful, together with her dinner lady colleague from Sri Lanka, helped me through a very difficult time.

However, some parts of the ward were filthy and dangerous. It was not the fault of cleaners but of other patients and nursing staff that didn't give a damn. I fell lucky to get out of there alive.

If the cleaning was done by the NHS then it would be even worse. More people would die of the filth than the original problem.

From my experience, the whole of the NHS need to be replaced with a private scheme.

[Moscow Mule]

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But what are the chances of that? No, it will be swathes of NHS cleaners, nurses, teachers at the bottom level who will go.
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There is no such thing as an "NHS cleaner" it's all been outsourced now...

[minestrone]

Why would a period of austerity bother a contractor? I only ask for water to be piped to my house, my bins to be collected, street lighting and the police to make an effort around my area. I pay more than enough for that.

A period of austerity is not going to hurt me.

[pzz76077]

Actually the real trick is to leave tossers like sas 'guru' here in the UK and for everyone else to go somewhere nice.

Sus 'guru' we will leave the light on for you, grow your own veg to eat with the rats etc. OK??

PZZ

[d000hg]

Austerity is more like, having a sensible car, and knowing if it breaks down you will have to give up eating meat to pay for the repairs.

[Mich the Tester]

A decade of austerity would do many people in this country a lot of good. And what does 'austerity' really mean - living within your means, driving a car that was designed to get you from A to B, not to impress your equally shallow minded neighbours, wearing clothes that didn't cost a weeks salary for the average income, having one foreign holiday per year instead of two or three, living in a country where the prices have not been inflated to ridiculous levels because people are not able to tollerate it (regardless of whether they want to/are too pathetic to resist).

I could tolerate that if it saves me enough to drink a couple of bottles of Chassagne Montrachet at the weekend.

[Bwana]

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[TimberWolf]

Pay it off in one lump sum from part of Jonathan Ross' salary.

[hyperD]

Remove all the target and tick-box culture in the public sector and bye bye to 1,000,000 admin wonks - cheaper to stick them on the dole or on X-factor.

[sasguru]

No it does not. Infact health and education spending can increase.

What you don't need are hordes of civil servants on £100K pa plus bonuses plus final salary pensions. You could cut a huge amount of spending on total tulipe and slash the benefits system to the core. Can't be bothered to work, fine, starve on the streets.

The simple solution to the pension deficit for all the public sector workers is to raise the pension age in Britain to 90. Most of them won't be claiming a penny. That's the pension problem solved.

Don't be naive. In theory you are correct. You could trim the fat at the top.
But what are the chances of that? No, it will be swathes of NHS cleaners, nurses, teachers at the bottom level who will go.
The senior civil servants will keep their perks and gold-plated pensions.

[swamp]

No it does not. Infact health and education spending can increase.

What you don't need are hordes of civil servants on £100K pa plus bonuses plus final salary pensions. You could cut a huge amount of spending on total tulipe and slash the benefits system to the core. Can't be bothered to work, fine, starve on the streets.

The simple solution to the pension deficit for all the public sector workers is to raise the pension age in Britain to 90. Most of them won't be claiming a penny. That's the pension problem solved.

Oi! What about all us contractors in the public sector?!

[DimPrawn]

Many of you think cutting public sector jobs is a good idea. But that means worse services for us on stuff we use like hospitals and schools.

No it does not. Infact health and education spending can increase.

What you don't need are hordes of civil servants on £100K pa plus bonuses plus final salary pensions. You could cut a huge amount of spending on total tulipe and slash the benefits system to the core. Can't be bothered to work, fine, starve on the streets.

The simple solution to the pension deficit for all the public sector workers is to raise the pension age in Britain to 90. Most of them won't be claiming a penny. That's the pension problem solved.

[HairyArsedBloke]

Leave the country and let the idiot labour voting suckers to live in the strife they brought upon themselves.