Reply to: That's all the Tories need - Archer back!

[wendigo100]

Makes sense Fangus. I've changed my mind again. Archer would be a bad thing for them after all.

[Fungus]

Bit like Alastair Campbell then.

I agree, Cameron is wiping the political slate clean so he can focus on liebour's sleaze while playing the whiter-than-white card for now. The feeling amongst the trad. tories is that Archer is quite a political dynamo although the Cameron camp feel that he is too much of a liability.

Archer was recently interviewed by Australian media where he said that he had been admitted back into the Tory party. The man's a congenital liar.

Who was it that said that if you can fake sincerity you've got it made. Blair has that knack.

The problem the Tories have is that during the Major gov. the media went on a feeding frenzy much to Labour's delight and anyone from that era has little credibility. Archer would be a disaster as he reflects all that is perceived to be wrong. I often wonder how much credit is due A. Campbell for the anti-Tory frenzy. Also for some reason the Tories have been ashamed of the Thatcher era and hence Labour could always attack them by referring to high interest rates and unemplyment under Thatcher (ignoring the Winter of Discontent, union militants etc.) . Enough ranting.

Fingus.

[hyperD]

Mind you - in joining the party that does not mean he would necessarily stand as a candidate and could therefore stay out of the lime light

Bit like Alastair Campbell then.

I agree, Cameron is wiping the political slate clean so he can focus on liebour's sleaze while playing the whiter-than-white card for now. The feeling amongst the trad. tories is that Archer is quite a political dynamo although the Cameron camp feel that he is too much of a liability.

[BobTheCrate]

On the one hand Archer has paid the price for his perjury and having done so, in legal terms has wiped the slate clean.

Here's the but though.

If Archer wants to join the Tory party I assume it's because he feels in doing so he can contribute his talent & experience thereby helping the party.

The question he needs to ask himself though is the same any Tory leadership must ask itself.

Does the value he contributes outweigh the negative impacts generated by voter perception of a man who was caught lying in such a monumental way ?

I think not. I think his presence would do more harm than good. It's not particularly fair but what is in politics ?

Mind you - in joining the party that does not mean he would necessarily stand as a candidate and could therefore stay out of the lime light

[wendigo100]

And after your valid post...comments that ,at least he doesn't lie as much as someone else, does get us forward!!!
I think you'll find they all talk out of thier ars*....It's just some idiots get caught

I think you are right, but that doesn't mean you can dismiss and ignore politicians as you seem to have done - they affect all of our lives! So you've got to work with what you've got.

What people on here seem to be saying is that the lies Archer has been caught telling have been relatively harmless, even when he was in government. Unlike (for example) Tony Blair, who even led us into war on a lie.

Actually, on this basis perhaps Archer isn't so bad after all.

[Phoenix]

Hmmm. And how much further forward has that diatribe moved us?

And after your valid post...comments that ,at least he doesn't lie as much as someone else, does get us forward!!!
I think you'll find they all talk out of thier ars*....It's just some idiots get caught

[n5gooner]

he just got caught, the rest - well most are up to the same tricks, have been since time begain, and will be until they die......the trick is not to get caught.

[wendigo100]

What a load of political twaddle!
You lot make me laugh!
Mr Archer is as bad (No more, no less) than the present Government ministers.
You lot sound like kids in the playground..."My dad's bigger than your dad!"

When will you learn...they all lie...that's how they get elected..on hollow promises...they are all just political puppets...

Hmmm. And how much further forward has that diatribe moved us?

[Phoenix]

All a bunch of liars!

What a load of political twaddle!
You lot make me laugh!
Mr Archer is as bad (No more, no less) than the present Government ministers.
You lot sound like kids in the playground..."My dad's bigger than your dad!"

When will you learn...they all lie...that's how they get elected..on hollow promises...they are all just political puppets...

[zathras]

>we will not raise income tax

and to be fair, it's just about the only tax they haven't raised.

Depends on your definition of raise really.

True the Headline % of Tax has not changed but allowances have not kept up with inflation bringing people into the tax bracket. Further we now have currently a record number of people paying the higher rate, indeed you would have to just to be able to get a mortgage in some areas in the South East.

PS. Cameron is quoted in the Times as saying he would not grant the Whip to Archer. Meaning he would remain independent in the HoL if Cameron won.

[Mordac]

>we will not raise income tax

and to be fair, it's just about the only tax they haven't raised.

[rabisco]

Maybe they should elect him as their new leader.

"Archer for Tory Leader "

[Dundeegeorge]

Oh, get real

You are kidding?! Just where do the lies end and the truth start with Archer?

Blair, oh yes, I remember watching jackie milburn play for Newcastle
and then I sneaked on an airplane and flew away somewhere
we will not raise income tax
we will not increase student fees
24 hours to save the nhs
education education education!

If NL tell you it's sunny, take an umbrella

[Bagpuss]

Archers tells far fewer lies than typical New Labour politicians. And to be fair at least he's been held to account for them!

You are kidding?! Just where do the lies end and the truth start with Archer?

[Dundeegeorge]

You want to be careful you don't get sued

Why not? He tells no more lies than your typical New Labour minister, and certainly none that would affect me.

Archers tells far fewer lies than typical New Labour politicians. And to be fair at least he's been held to account for them!