Reply to: Anyone watch the Derren Brown Casino Event?

[BrilloPad]

No, he tried to predict an individual number.

But he got only 1 number away. Personally I call that a great success.

Though if it had been my £5k I would have used the word failure!

[Addanc]

Doesn't your agrument actally support Darren Brown?

No, he tried to predict an individual number.

[BrilloPad]

Agreed, Darren Brown's attempt was nonsense. The groups who have attempted to beat the casino wheel with computer tech spread the bets across the predicted group of numbers.

Doesn't your agrument actally support Darren Brown?

[Addanc]

Agreed, Darren Brown's attempt was nonsense. The groups who have attempted to beat the casino wheel with computer tech spread the bets across the predicted group of numbers.

[TimberWolf]

I said a segment, i.e. a group of adjacent slots. Not sure how wide the segment needs to be for a 90% plus accuracy.

Well doing nothing at all gives you a one in four chance of predicting the right quadrant. Timing the balls would provide a significant statistical advantage on that large scale, but getting close means you still lose. Brown's nonsense was about getting the right slot first time, as far as I understand.

[Addanc]

No, they just push the odds in your favour. Enough for casinos to be worried and to make you money, but not good enough to expect a ball to end up in a predicted slot, or next to it. And in your head? No way. I say this with little knowledge of the success of these devices, but knowledge of how difficult it would be to do. Just timing the ball as it passes, say the zero slot, isn't enough information to predict with. For example the angle of the ball would make a big difference to where it ends up. It also jumps about pretty unpredictably when it his those bumps. It can only be a statistical advantage.

I said a segment, i.e. a group of adjacent slots. Not sure how wide the segment needs to be for a 90% plus accuracy.

[TimberWolf]

I believe that using a computer allows the ball drop to be predicted to a segment of the wheel.

No, they just push the odds in your favour. Enough for casinos to be worried and to make you money, but not good enough to expect a ball to end up in a predicted slot, or next to it. And in your head? No way. I say this with little knowledge of the success of these devices, but knowledge of how difficult it would be to do. Just timing the ball as it passes, say the zero slot, isn't enough information to predict with. For example the angle of the ball would make a big difference to where it ends up. It also jumps about pretty unpredictably when it his those bumps. It can only be a statistical advantage.

[Tingles]

It was a theatrical set piece.

Funny how the signal interference cleared as soon has he got to the table.

Hogwash and hooey!

[Addanc]

Even with a computer the odds are small you'd get close on one particular run. Computers just help swing he odds in a statistical way, and no improvement in technology is going to consistently get you close, as tiny changes in initial conditions radically alters where the ball ends up. The probability of Brown doing in his head are effectively zero. It was just a trick.

I believe that using a computer allows the ball drop to be predicted to a segment of the wheel.

[TimberWolf]

But if you were allowed a computer it is possible to predict it : or at least get very close.

Which was what Darren did.

Even with a computer the odds are small you'd get close on one particular run. Computers just help swing he odds in a statistical way, and no improvement in technology is going to consistently get you close, as tiny changes in initial conditions radically alters where the ball ends up. The probability of Brown doing in his head are effectively zero. It was just a trick.

[BrilloPad]

There's no way he would be allowed to win and take the money. Do you guys really think he can predict where the ball is going to land? Duh <pulls best gurning face>

But if you were allowed a computer it is possible to predict it : or at least get very close.

Which was what Darren did.

[Andy2]

What does everyone make of his apparent super-hypnosis powers to get the £5k? Am I right that just because Channel4 put up a "no stooges were used in this show" that doesn't have to be true and can be part of the show?

AFAIK You can't hypnotise someone who is not willing to be hypnotised
also you can't force anyone to give you 5 grands even if he is hypnotised
its all staged

[cybersquatter]

Anyone who thinks it was live shoud look at a replay.

As he walks up to the table, the croupier clearly says 16. But if you look closely at the next shot, the ball has landed on 13.

End If.

[d000hg]

It was a fiction, they all are. Would you be talking about it less if it landed on the number he predicted? That's why it didn't.

Then why did he get ALL numbers on the lottery, instead of a more believable 5? I was expecting the casino show to end not only with him getting the right number, but revealing he'd tattooed the correct number on the other guys chest weeks ago.

[shoes]

It was a fiction, they all are. Would you be talking about it less if it landed on the number he predicted? That's why it didn't.