Reply to: The IT Hierarchy

[Evil Hangover]

In my experience:

IT Support (box swappers)
System Administrators (tape changers)
Testers
DBAs
=Business Analysts
=Developers
Project Managers
System Architects
Program Managers


If you're a team lead then you jump up a level or two.

This looks prettty close with regards rates within IB's. Business sponsors can live without IT, and would prefer to avoid the expense altogether.

The programme management and architecture roles, allied to domain / business knowledge, can consistently lead to rates over 1k /day.

[jmo21]

based on years of dealing with retards who right tulipty applications and try to blame the network for it's poor performance.

no mention of the tester mongos yet?

[swamp]

In my experience:

IT Support (box swappers)
System Administrators (tape changers)
Testers
DBAs
=Business Analysts
=Developers
Project Managers
System Architects
Program Managers


If you're a team lead then you jump up a level or two.

[shoes]

In terms of difficulty developer is right at the top, mostly because they are expected to deliver something that relies on the input of most of the other disciplines regardless of whether or not that input is provided. They also have to do the most difficult work whilst being looked down upon by everyone else, which is baffling.

[Alf W]

On the recent Five Live Donal MacIntyre radio thing 'Analyst / Programmer' was described as 'entry-level'. I disagree with this. I think you have to earn your spurs a bit before you can add the 'Analyst' bit.

[darmstadt]

I would have thought users (although we all hate them even though we too are users) would be numero uno, as without users we don't have jobs

[Pondlife]

The way I see it, it goes like this:

1. At the bottom, hardware support
2. OS/networking support.
3. Enterprise software set up and config (SAP configurers etc)
4. Developers (web, applications)
5. BI specialists (credit risk etc)
6. Creatives (creators of new languages, OSs)


Outside this hierarchy we have the various non-clever parasites: BAs, PMs etc.

From what perspective?

Value to business, technical expertise, project delivery...

Or is this how you specify reports in SAS?

[snaw]

Ante?

Or is this some bizarre sexual practice I don't know about?

News to me if it is. Though anti up, with my spelling would suggest something scatological. In which case I don't wanna know ...

[Moscow Mule]

(Unless you don't anti up).

Ante?

Or is this some bizarre sexual practice I don't know about?

[BlackenedBiker]

Quite right Dim, as you'll find when you finally get a job.

Why are you talking to yourself. How bored are you. Has everyone of the care home sent you to Coventry again?

[snaw]

Neither are hookers and I'm sure they service businesses and the IT community in some respect, and you won't hear them complaining about money (Unless you don't anti up).

[Mich the Tester]

Who cares, it's the pay hierarchy that matters.

Thinking like a permie again sas. No wonder you never get anywhere in life.

whs
Testers aren't even in his hierarchy but you won't hear me complaining about money.

[Doggy Styles]

Nope, it would be the guy that unlocks the doors in the morning.

Was he in the list?

[sasguru]

Who cares, it's the pay hierarchy that matters.

Thinking like a permie again sas. No wonder you never get anywhere in life.

Quite right Dim, as you'll find when you finally get a job.

[TimberWolf]

OK, let's put sas's query another way. Which of that lot would we miss most if they were culled tomorrow? I'm tempted to say hardware engineers.

Nope, it would be the guy that unlocks the doors in the morning.