'Google should replace NHS IT system'

[Shimano105]

Google and MS have a system ready? Please.

Sounds like a consultant answer to me - 'we have a system up and ready to roll if you sign up with us'.

Then they piss off and try to get Bob and his buddies to frantically knock enough together to meet the first milestone.

[d000hg]

When you say "Google should replace NHS", do you mean getting rid of all the GPs and getting teenagers to google "my balls are all red and itchy" instead?

[ThomasSoerensen]

please write 20000 words on this.

and no copy - paste, ok.

[RichardCranium]

tbh I don't really understand why the NHS project is that difficult, anyone care to enlighten me?

The very short answer has a number of parts. Each one of these is a programme killer.

1. It is politically motivated; therefore measuring benefits is futile so decision making is poor.

2. It is a programme intended to save money; therefore senior management do not know where to authorise expenditure.

3. It is too big; they are trying to joining together systems owned by bodies that exist at different positions in the hierarchy so the sheer number of stakeholders and their relative levels of authority prevents correct decision making.

4. The NHS believes it is 'a special case' and that good practice used by the rest of the project and programme management industry does not apply.

The very, very short answer is: it is too big.

I can do you 20,000 words on why it has been a failure since 2003 if you wish.

[minestrone]

gladiators?

i keep imagining my igoogle portal: news | mail | products | nhs

I just signed up for google health to give it a try so I have 'health' on my menu!

[DSW]

gladiators?

i keep imagining my igoogle portal: news | mail | products | nhs

scare tactic scenario that I see is that since M$ and google (do no evil my ) if the US courts asked for information from them would they not fold like a pack of card? ok thats enough fud for now.

I assume all the NHS stuff would have to meet GSI standards though, so could they even merge into existing data centres that easily?

tbh I don't really understand why the NHS project is that difficult, anyone care to enlighten me?

[ace00]

I ain't got a problem with either microsoft or google maintaining the system, for the amount of money involved I am sure they would allow a dedicated farm only to be used for the NHS with tighter security, well that is what I would negotiate for.

If they have a product ready while we are spending billions writing some crapfest that hardly works then let's go for the product.

WHS - I think it's a great idea.

[RichardCranium]

DSW, do you like movies about gladiators?

HAB, have you stopped drinking that bromide tea the court had prescribed for you?

[HairyArsedBloke]

not wanting to be anti-tory as it doesn't seem to be the done thing around here... but isn't this the complete opposite of what David Cameron said a few days ago (give it to the small guys).

You can be as anti-tory as you like. It's being pro-nuLieBore that will get you into trouble and end up with you getting

oh and I think giving Microsoft, or even google the NHS stuff would be an incredibly bad idea. afaik they dont even do that type of work.- ok Microsoft a bit, but still sounds crazy. Having said that, I doubt they could make it much worse...

True.

So do the tories actually have an IT plan or are they just throwing random ideas about?

No and Yes.

BTW.

DSW, do you like movies about gladiators?

[Menelaus]

WHS+1.

The creation of a mahoosively expensive CfH NHSIT programme has been and threatens to be a white-elephant of, well, elephantine proportions.

[minestrone]

I ain't got a problem with either microsoft or google maintaining the system, for the amount of money involved I am sure they would allow a dedicated farm only to be used for the NHS with tighter security, well that is what I would negotiate for.

If they have a product ready while we are spending billions writing some crapfest that hardly works then let's go for the product.

[RichardCranium]

Yeah, right. Give yet another huge database of personal data to a Merkin corporation. Thanks.

FFS. They learn nothing, do they? Any of them.

[minestrone]

I got the impression that google already have a product available. Same with microsoft.

[DSW]

not wanting to be anti-tory as it doesn't seem to be the done thing around here... but isn't this the complete opposite of what David Cameron said a few days ago (give it to the small guys).

oh and I think giving Microsoft, or even google the NHS stuff would be an incredibly bad idea. afaik they dont even do that type of work.- ok Microsoft a bit, but still sounds crazy. Having said that, I doubt they could make it much worse...

So do the tories actually have an IT plan or are they just throwing random ideas about?