Reply to: The goal posts are about to move

[minestrone]

Conservatives looked like they were struggling with this today.

Brown was not changing the electoral goal posts today, he was changing the goal posts of the political battering he was getting in the last week.

[vetran]

ERM anyone?

Unfortunately for the new lie apologists it was joining the ERM that stuffed them something Gordon Brownstuff supported

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...bn-482733.html

[pzz76077]

Big deal....

This is just more W**nk from those with not even a toehold in reality.

You are called Independent contractors because you are not impacted by any of this stuff- you are independent, so what is the issue here??

PZZ

[Bagpuss]

Hear Hear !

I couldn't agree more !

The economy is in fine, fighting shape.

The housing market is buoyant and 1st time buyers have no problems getting a loan.

We have a wonderful, cohesive systems of laws implemented in the EU that really do understand the microeconomic factors of the UK.

Crime is at an all time low.

The public services are awash with money and there's no need to cut anything back.

The UK Transport infrastructure is also "world class".

There are more jobs than people (and no imported labour)

The Army has the best kit in the world.

Tax is fair.

Gordon Brown has saved the Universe.

And you are Gordon Brown in disguise. Because he is fekking delusional as well.

Most of that could have been directed at the last Government at some stage or another, and I can't see how they wouldn't have made similar choices (probably not quite as bad). No government has that much control over the big issues. Some things improve but most of the issues above will remain. I'd vote Tory for personal benefit, the large issues won't be significantly addressed

[lilelvis2000]

There has never been any level to which Labour will not stoop. They have ruined everything about the UK so why stop.

How's that? that's almost akin to NG's "slum" remarks on Sunday.

[snaw]

You go look it up. Then report to me. Management

13% interest rates. Inflation 10%. 12.5% drop in values in three years. 75,000 repossessions in 1991 (30,000 last year). Mortgage as % of net salary : 40%, (Dunno now to be fair).

It was bad then, it's not as bad now (Might get as bad, but so far - no).

[sunnysan]

How low can you go

So they will replace hundreds of years of legislation, into something that will be geared even more to partisan politics?

Why? This is not the problem. Its that some MPS (And not only labour) are corrupt thieving barstewards who are sh1t at their job.

So, reform the expenses system and fire the sh1t, corrupt MP's and concentrate on other stuff.

I think though that the time is past for him, GB cannot do a thing now without people saying he is scr3wing something up. He has no poltical or public support and if he has to wheel out the epically sh1te Peter Hain for his cabinet, he must be pretty desparate. IIRC PH was forced to resign because of oversight in administration(Code for thieving corrupt bstd).

I think GB's tactics are as simple as waiting for the cyclic economic upturn so he can claim it was owing to his stewardship of the economy, and use the politcal capital to increase his popularity. In the meantime they will stoke up and tinker with random sh1te and pray it happens before GE next year

[DieScum]

Peoplesoft Bloke - Bit suprised to see your posts on here.

Nice to read some sense though.

[ace00]

Late 1980's. Go look it up.

You go look it up. Then report to me. Management

[snaw]

Really? I'm not sure that's true, although it does of course depend how you measure it.

Late 1980's. Go look it up.

[ace00]

...........- we had bigger housing crashes under the tories. ............

Really? I'm not sure that's true, although it does of course depend how you measure it.

[bobhope]

Always remember, whoever you vote for, the Government always get in!

[Churchill]

What is the government for then ?

The list above are just some of the things the existing government was supposed to control and improve. Each of them was on the manifesto.

Let's not split hairs.

The Government = Epic Fail.

Who put the government there ?

Labour Voters.

Nope, it wasn't labour voters, it was lack of voters for other parties! The same thing that gave the BNP their seats!

[snaw]

The Government = Epic Fail.

Who put the government there ?

Labour Voters.

The voting public.

Some of whom voted tory before, and will go back to voting them again. And maybe got put off in the middle by how attrociously bad the tories were back then (I'd put them on a par with labour now).

What was you're point with that statement exactly?

[snaw]

What is the government for then ?

The list above are just some of the things the existing government was supposed to control and improve. Each of them was on the manifesto.

Let's not split hairs.

The Government = Epic Fail.

Who put the government there ?

Labour Voters.

Hating them as much as the next man (And that's pretty much everyone atm) but ...

The housing market isn't ****ed because of labour - we had bigger housing crashes under the tories. It's ****ed because of greedy bankers, deregulation and problems in the US housing market - I genuinely don't think the tories would have made a blind bit of difference to that bit.

Same with the EU, we're part of it - we get the laws. Only way to avoid that is pull out, and if the tories had tried that they'd have fell apart at the seams (They almost did).

I reckon the tories would have been as bad, but labour's time is well and truly up, time for a change. If that change means more choices than two tulip parties then I'm personally all for it - cause I've never been happy with either party and our current system that basically means I get no say in how the country is run.