Reply to: Treated like a permie

[suityou01]

Good conversation killer..

http://www.provincialpay.co.uk/docs/IR35_Factsheet.pdf

[TheRefactornator]

Right let's have it then. Top ten reasons why ClientCo should give a tulip about IR35.

1....

Good conversation killer..

[suityou01]

Right let's have it then. Top ten reasons why ClientCo should give a tulip about IR35.

1....

[Fred Bloggs]

Okay, I have to wear the company uniform and always say "Would that be a medium or large meal?", but I'm a proper business FFS.

[Fred Bloggs]

I sympathise, I've been in similar situations. The problems really start when you try to explain to the client management what the issues are. "IR35, what's that?" etc.... Honestly, they have no idea (why should they?) and I'm afraid that in the past I have walked after 6 weeks of quasi-permiedom and puzzled looks from my "line manager". Sadly, under the present climate I wouldn't have that option easily open to me but this situation is a very familiar one to me.

[DimPrawn]

Okay, I have to wear the company uniform and always say "Would that be a medium or large meal?", but I'm a proper business FFS.

[Amiga500]

If you want another member of a permie team to do permie things, hire another permie team member.

HTH

WHS

I have overheard a conversation regarding the position I am working in becoming permie next year, so I guess they think that gives them license to treat a contractor as a permie until they find someone, they even have the audacity to use the heading Contractor/Temp on their timesheet system.

[DimPrawn]

Love it when all these deluded, tax-dodging, disguised-employee,quasi-permie twunts get on their high horse and claim to be running "my own bizness, innit" when in reality the dumbest Apprentice candidate would run rings around them.

If I could punch my way out of this soggy paper bag I'd ask you to retract that!

[Mich the Tester]

If you want another member of a permie team to do permie things, hire another permie team member.

HTH

Love it when all these deluded, tax-dodging, disguised-employee,quasi-permie twunts get on their high horse and claim to be running "my own bizness, innit" when in reality the dumbest Apprentice candidate would run rings around them.

Are you two connected by an elastic band?

[sasguru]

Love it when all these deluded, tax-dodging, disguised-employee,quasi-permie twunts get on their high horse and claim to be running "my own bizness, innit" when in reality the dumbest Apprentice candidate would run rings around them.

[DimPrawn]

If you are working on-site is it not reasonable to fit in with the team? How can the team be effective if someone is continually trying to play the outsider?

OK so you have to do some tulipe things like 360 degree reviews and personality tests - on the other hand if they are paying you to do those things then so what - you might learn something about how to do these things for yourself if you ever get to run your own company one day?

If you want another member of a permie team to do permie things, hire another permie team member.

HTH

[Amiga500]

If you are working on-site is it not reasonable to fit in with the team? How can the team be effective if someone is continually trying to play the outsider?

OK so you have to do some tulipe things like 360 degree reviews and personality tests - on the other hand if they are paying you to do those things then so what - you might learn something about how to do these things for yourself if you ever get to run your own company one day?

-5 points on the troll attempt. The fact I run my own company makes me realise the futility of these processes, it is actually possible to have a non-draconian work environment without pointless processes and still make money.

Most design agencies have gotten it right with regard to working environment and policies I would say.

[MPwannadecentincome]

You are a permie manager who loves all this crap and I claim my free aptitude test.

not!

[suityou01]

If you are working on-site is it not reasonable to fit in with the team? How can the team be effective if someone is continually trying to play the outsider?

OK so you have to do some tulipe things like 360 degree reviews and personality tests - on the other hand if they are paying you to do those things then so what - you might learn something about how to do these things for yourself if you ever get to run your own company one day?

You are a permie manager who loves all this crap and I claim my free aptitude test.

[MPwannadecentincome]

If you are working on-site is it not reasonable to fit in with the team? How can the team be effective if someone is continually trying to play the outsider?

OK so you have to do some tulipe things like 360 degree reviews and personality tests - on the other hand if they are paying you to do those things then so what - you might learn something about how to do these things for yourself if you ever get to run your own company one day?