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[MPwannadecentincome]

Don't know what you're all arguing about - but academic research suggests that teaching children too early at nursery is detrimental to their subsequent education. Not sure about their socialisation skills.
In Scandinavia, kids are sent to formal schooling (e.g. nursery) much later.

I don't know about the research, but observation of my kids and other kids shows some are ready and eager to learn and some are happy just playing.

My middle one aged 4 1/2 - she watches the eldest doing her homework and just wants to copy her.

[Moscow Mule]

Not sure about their socialisation skills.
In Scandinavia, kids are sent to formal schooling (e.g. nursery) much later.

Well, IME Scandinavian women are complete nutcases. Not sure if you'd be able to find a causal link to their nursery education though...

[Moscow Mule]

Probably helps that in Scandinavia primary school teachers have to be university graduates, unlike here.

I think you'll find it hard to find a primary school teacher without a degree.

http://www.prospects.ac.uk/downloads...ol_teacher.pdf

You're much more likely to find an unqualified teaching assistant acting as a teacher because the school is tulipe.

[oracleslave]

Not sure about their socialisation skills.

No surprise there. I blame it on your maths issues.

[snaw]

Don't know what you're all arguing about - but academic research suggests that teaching children too early at nursery is detrimental to their subsequent education. Not sure about their socialisation skills.
In Scandinavia, kids are sent to formal schooling (e.g. nursery) much later.

Not quite true - they go to kindergarden up till 7 (Nursery in other words) and then start school/formal education.

From what I've read, I agree with that policy. I don't like the idea of my kid having to start pre-school at 3 (She's right in the end of her year, so she starts very very early). In the UK you can't change that, in some other countries you can choose to hold them back.

Probably helps that in Scandinavia primary school teachers have to be university graduates, unlike here.

[sasguru]

Don't know what you're all arguing about - but academic research suggests that teaching children too early at nursery is detrimental to their subsequent education. Not sure about their socialisation skills.
In Scandinavia, kids are sent to formal schooling (e.g. nursery) much later.

[Ivor Bigun]

Or perhaps just ditch them eh Ivor?

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...use#post725442

Oracleslave,
Do keep up, it was meant as a warning

[snaw]

I'd say it has more to do with the parents. I never went to Nursery school. I was looked after by my dad at work. Never did me any harm.

I already said the same thing. You're agreeing with me without realising it. Nursery isn't detrimental, neither is not going to nursery. It's a choice people make.
[/QUOTE]

Wow. What really ****s me off is people, mostly couples/partners who think that just becuase you don't go to baby gym or have attended a local toddlers meeting that you know **** all about kids.

I've never had kids and don't want any - doesn't mean that I don't have a valid opinion. Also doesn't mean I probably wouldn't make a better parent than a lot of people out there with kids.

Thing is, most people don't have a clue about kids until they have their own. Go ask virtually any parent and they'll agree with this statement - you've no idea until you're really knee deep in it.

Again...you winged and bitched like a little girl about SA judging people and speaking about stuff she knows nothing about then you go an do the same.

What's the difference between SA not like a £1000 a month nursery which she has never paid for and you not liking people without kids arguing about kids. Oh right a world of difference - not really when you think about it.

Wrong.

I think people with or without kids should make their own choices and refrain from criticising other peoples choices when it comes to their children.

Just because a problem is about children doesn't suddenly make half the population with kids more qualified to answer.

Never said it didn't, btu I'd say somenoe who has kids and who's gone through this probably knows a wee bit more than someone who hasn't. Reference my previous point, it's a choice, and leave it at that.

Its like those women that stick the front two wheels of the push chair in the road at a ped crossing. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop for you - a pushchair does not give right of way.

Yeah, you should just blast on through ...

Or the NHS adverts that all the reasons for giving up smoking are "to see my child to <x> right of passage". Children are not the pinnacle of your lives. I personally think that people with kids have semi given up and are quite happy for kids to come along and be an excuse - the number of people I know that say "oh, I would but I've got the kids". Poppy cock! You can do stuff even when you do have kids.

/rant over

This one is just bollocks so I'll pass.

[snaw]

Hmmmmm...

[Air uncleared]

Once again Snaw - this is a public forum and anyone can write anything they choose to.


Sockpuppet - thank you for your valued contribution honey

Fair enough, un-cleared and I know where we stand.

[SallyAnne]

I've already cleared the air with SA on this one, so let's just say go **** yourself and leave it at that, shall we?

Hmmmmm...

[Air uncleared]

Once again Snaw - this is a public forum and anyone can write anything they choose to.


Sockpuppet - thank you for your valued contribution honey

[darmstadt]

Well they came in to pick up my timesheets today for May and inquired if I would like to work an extra day a week (currently only do 3) which was nice although I'm waiting for another project to come through from the USA which let me work 7 days a week.

[snaw]

Why? Contracting for me is the career I want. I don't mind only working 6/9 months of the year and I like the constant change. Doesn't mean I'm only doing it until I can't put up with it any longer.







I'd say it has more to do with the parents. I never went to Nursery school. I was looked after by my dad at work. Never did me any harm.



Wow. What really ****s me off is people, mostly couples/partners who think that just becuase you don't go to baby gym or have attended a local toddlers meeting that you know **** all about kids.

I've never had kids and don't want any - doesn't mean that I don't have a valid opinion. Also doesn't mean I probably wouldn't make a better parent than a lot of people out there with kids.



Again...you winged and bitched like a little girl about SA judging people and speaking about stuff she knows nothing about then you go an do the same.

What's the difference between SA not like a £1000 a month nursery which she has never paid for and you not liking people without kids arguing about kids. Oh right a world of difference - not really when you think about it.

Just because a problem is about children doesn't suddenly make half the population with kids more qualified to answer.

Its like those women that stick the front two wheels of the push chair in the road at a ped crossing. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop for you - a pushchair does not give right of way.

Or the NHS adverts that all the reasons for giving up smoking are "to see my child to <x> right of passage". Children are not the pinnacle of your lives. I personally think that people with kids have semi given up and are quite happy for kids to come along and be an excuse - the number of people I know that say "oh, I would but I've got the kids". Poppy cock! You can do stuff even when you do have kids.

/rant over

I've already cleared the air with SA on this one, so let's just say go **** yourself and leave it at that, shall we?

[oracleslave]

Snaw, talk to your partner about it and see what she says

Or perhaps just ditch them eh Ivor?

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...use#post725442

[Sockpuppet]

Ah I really really pity anyone who HAS to do this - this should be a lifestyle choice, for a purpose (either a 5 year plan to pay off a house or buy a boat, or a new kitchen etc etc)

Why? Contracting for me is the career I want. I don't mind only working 6/9 months of the year and I like the constant change. Doesn't mean I'm only doing it until I can't put up with it any longer.

What opportunituies is your kid getting at nursery like? Access to the best crayons available?

I notice with friends kids who don't go to nursery they're less socially developed, usually a bit more timid - but sometimes a bit too selfish (All kids are to some degree, sometimes though it can get a bit much).

I'd say it has more to do with the parents. I never went to Nursery school. I was looked after by my dad at work. Never did me any harm.

But clearly you know a lot about this, having read loads and having kids of your own ...

Wow. What really ****s me off is people, mostly couples/partners who think that just becuase you don't go to baby gym or have attended a local toddlers meeting that you know **** all about kids.

I've never had kids and don't want any - doesn't mean that I don't have a valid opinion. Also doesn't mean I probably wouldn't make a better parent than a lot of people out there with kids.

Clearly giving everyone else advice on how they should bring their kids up is a minor distraction for you on an uneventful day but some of us, you know - ones that have them, have put a bit more thought into it ...

Again...you winged and bitched like a little girl about SA judging people and speaking about stuff she knows nothing about then you go an do the same.

What's the difference between SA not like a £1000 a month nursery which she has never paid for and you not liking people without kids arguing about kids. Oh right a world of difference - not really when you think about it.

Just because a problem is about children doesn't suddenly make half the population with kids more qualified to answer.

Its like those women that stick the front two wheels of the push chair in the road at a ped crossing. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop for you - a pushchair does not give right of way.

Or the NHS adverts that all the reasons for giving up smoking are "to see my child to <x> right of passage". Children are not the pinnacle of your lives. I personally think that people with kids have semi given up and are quite happy for kids to come along and be an excuse - the number of people I know that say "oh, I would but I've got the kids". Poppy cock! You can do stuff even when you do have kids.

/rant over

[MPwannadecentincome]

There's a nursery accross from where I work where a lot of the people in the office have kids - 3 & 4's are free.

Yes most nurseries are free for 3 and 4 year olds - upto a set no. of hours per week depending on the local education authority. So if you want to leave the kids in nursery to cover a 9 to 5 job 5 days a week you still have to pay something.