Reply to: Why did Newcastle Sack Allerdice?

[The Lone Gunman]

Newcastle, the club, its fans and its owner should ditch the sentimental posturing and get in some external (probably foreign as there is no home grown talent) hard-headed manager with a track record
What the flip does Shearer know about management - he should go back to being a pundit, he's semi-good at that.

The problem has not been the manager though has it.
Robson was a good manager but wasnt allowed to run the club how he wanted, Keegan has a certain level of talent but wasnt allowed to run the club how he wanted and Fat Sam has had a sccess or two but.......
It would seem that the owner wants too much control over club management. As Sal says, he has done a lot for the club, but he is probably the cause of managerial problems. He needs to step back and let the manager get on with it.

Agree about Shearer, but a few have jumped in the deep end of management and done a good job.

[sasguru]

Newcastle, the club, its fans and its owner should ditch the sentimental posturing and get in some external (probably foreign as there is no home grown talent) hard-headed manager with a track record
What the feck does Shearer know about management - he should go back to being a pundit, he's semi-good at that.

[BoredBloke]

WHS

And what's so good about Shearer? No managerial experience anywhere, let alone the premiership. Ashley only hired him because he's a Geordie Messiah and he'd mute the fans.

BTW Fergie was 1990, wasn't it? They won the cup and saved his job. I always admired the chairman at the time (Martin Edwards) for sticking with him through a couple of years of crowd unrest. Now imagine if those Man Yu fans, like Newcastle's, had got their way...

Probably was 1989-1990 season - They won the cup winners cup in 91 and it was the FA Cup win the season before which got them into the competition - I just got my dates wrong.

[Doggy Styles]

NU fans were the ones who got alladyce the boot. They were the ones who wanted him out and were going ape once wor kevin returned. That was where it went wrong. I think if Alladyce had stayed, yes this season would have been rough but at least they would have still beeen in the top flight. Then Alladyce could do what he does best and do his deals to get some good players into the squad, something NU were really lacking. The NU faithfull have to shoulder a lot of the blame for their clubs demise this season.

What Alladyce did with his time at Bolton with significantly less funds than he would have got at Newcastle was impressive. I just think that the 'best fans in the world' didn't give him enough time. Man U almost made the same mistake with Fergie back in 88.

WHS

And what's so good about Shearer? No managerial experience anywhere, let alone the premiership. Ashley only hired him because he's a Geordie Messiah and he'd mute the fans.

BTW Fergie was 1990, wasn't it? They won the cup and saved his job. I always admired the chairman at the time (Martin Edwards) for sticking with him through a couple of years of crowd unrest. Now imagine if those Man Yu fans, like Newcastle's, had got their way...

[BoredBloke]

NU fans were the ones who got alladyce the boot. They were the ones who wanted him out and were going ape once wor kevin returned. That was where it went wrong. I think if Alladyce had stayed, yes this season would have been rough but at least they would have still beeen in the top flight. Then Alladyce could do what he does best and do his deals to get some good players into the squad, something NU were really lacking. The NU faithfull have to shoulder a lot of the blame for their clubs demise this season.

What Alladyce did with his time at Bolton with significantly less funds than he would have got at Newcastle was impressive. I just think that the 'best fans in the world' didn't give him enough time. Man U almost made the same mistake with Fergie back in 88.

[d000hg]

A lot is made of Newcastle having great fans, but in the 80s they were getting gates of under 15,000 while languishing in the old division 2. I wonder if the fans will desert the club again?

At least in Newcastle they can't really change sides, what with it being a proper club based right in the city centre. They might just get bored and leave but if they managed to stick around the last couple of seasons they must have a lot of grit. IF Shearer stays I'd expect more interest in the club, such is the level of hero-worship they have for him.


I wonder if he will stay, with the excitement of the World Cup next year, and his BBC coverage career (at which he is very good IMO). He has a huge amount to lose in the eyes of fans as well, and not a lot to gain...

[d000hg]

There are 2 problems at that club: -

1) a small fraction of complete d*ck head fans who cry "sack the manager" or "sack the board" every time we loose a fu*king game. Ashley made a mistake by being influenced by them.

Agreed but that's just the mentality of the nation these days. If you can't fix something in a month you should be replaced, preferably by letting the public vote in the replacement - true democracy

2) some of the lazy arse players like Owen, Martins, Ameobi who simply dont care enough.

Never been impressed by Owen since he was last properly playing for England... getting on for a decade ago IIRC. Definitely after that bad injury I've never seen him do anything much.
Never heard bad things about Ameobi though, and isn't he one of the long-term players you'd expect to stay and give experience to a new team?

[swamp]

A lot is made of Newcastle having great fans, but in the 80s they were getting gates of under 15,000 while languishing in the old division 2. I wonder if the fans will desert the club again?

The 80s were a long time ago, get over it. Besides many old division 1 clubs had low attendance in the 80s.

[Beefy198]

A lot is made of Newcastle having great fans, but in the 80s they were getting gates of under 15,000 while languishing in the old division 2. I wonder if the fans will desert the club again?

I've been saying that for ages, whenever the usual "world's best fans" line is trotted out.

After the game yesterday, a so-called expert on BBC Five Live had the audacity to say 'on the balance of the season Hull should have gone down'.

Sorry, but at the end of the season the table doesn't lie. Typical premiership bias from the pundits, they don't like any Championship sides staying up.

[Bagpuss]

A lot is made of Newcastle having great fans, but in the 80s they were getting gates of under 15,000 while languishing in the old division 2. I wonder if the fans will desert the club again?

[Cyberman]

The biggest mistake they made was sacking Bobby Robson after he took them to fifth, just as Charlton did with letting Curbishley go.

[Doggy Styles]

It is true that Newcastle were a basket case when Ashley took over. But he and their fans accelerated their decline.

I keep thinking back to pictures of Allardyce in his technical area during a match, and loads of Newcastle fans behind him hurling abuse. The fans sang "You don't know what you're doing". That's called irony. Newcastle were half-way up the league at that point.

To ingratiate himself with the fans, Ashley sacked Allardyce. That was weak. Then he set up a complicated management structure where the manager had least authority but most responsibility - it's no wonder Keegan told Ashley where to stick his job.

With their messiah gone, the 'Best Fans In The World' started abusing Ashley, he didn't like it and so announced he was going to get rid of the club. This had two effects - nobody would buy such a club, and no top managers would go and work for it. Brilliant.

He was unlucky with Kinnear's health problem, but he then put avoiding relegation in the hands of a bloke with no (zero, nil) management experience at any level, never mind the premiership, whose only qualification was that he was a Geordie.

[suityou01]

Dont talk out of your arse man

Ashley has made some mistakes (sacking Allerdyce, bringing Keegan back) but he hasn't destroyed the club. Before he came in we were in financial fu*cking tatters - he's bailed us out of almost going bankrupt. Shepherd was robbing money out of the club hand over fist!

There are 2 problems at that club: -

1) a small fraction of complete d*ck head fans who cry "sack the manager" or "sack the board" every time we loose a fu*king game. Ashley made a mistake by being influenced by them.

2) some of the lazy arse players like Owen, Martins, Ameobi who simply dont care enough.

Hopefully us going down will get rid of both problems, and we can start rebuilding the club with Ashley and Shearers help.

People who slag Ashley off need their heads read, as without him we'd be completely up tulip creek and possibly heading the same way as Darlo.

A well reasoned piece SA. I'm afraid I still dislike Mike Ashley intensely, and strongly believe he should not be in charge of any football club. Your best hope is to get rid. I do hope Shearer stays, he will help pull you back up for sure.

[SallyAnne]

Couldn't happen to a more deserving club imo. Get rid of the uperc**t Ashley and allow Shearer to rebuild next season.

Ashley destroyed that club, single handedly, brick by brick. Feel sorry for the fans though. Total bad management.

Dont talk out of your arse man

Ashley has made some mistakes (sacking Allerdyce, bringing Keegan back) but he hasn't destroyed the club. Before he came in we were in financial fu*cking tatters - he's bailed us out of almost going bankrupt. Shepherd was robbing money out of the club hand over fist!

There are 2 problems at that club: -

1) a small fraction of complete d*ck head fans who cry "sack the manager" or "sack the board" every time we loose a fu*king game. Ashley made a mistake by being influenced by them.

2) some of the lazy arse players like Owen, Martins, Ameobi who simply dont care enough.

Hopefully us going down will get rid of both problems, and we can start rebuilding the club with Ashley and Shearers help.

People who slag Ashley off need their heads read, as without him we'd be completely up tulip creek and possibly heading the same way as Darlo.

[BolshieBastard]

Fat Sam was sacked because Fat Ashley knew there was only room for one of them in the toon!

Fat Ashley wanted to ingratiate himself to the toon army. That's why!