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Originally posted by Moscow Mule View PostMostly, fair enough - I'd love to see the roads changed the way you suggest, but I can't agree with you about pedestrians.
I've nearly hit pedestrians crossing the road on a couple of occasions where they simply haven't been looking where they are going or listening to my bell (both occasions the lights were green to road traffic).
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Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View PostI would like to see cycle paths on all roads. Though I would designate some roads as cycle paths and ban traffic or at least put in a very slow speed limit and traffic calming measures.
Pedsetrians dont use roads they use footpaths. Yes I would do the same for horse riders and other road users too.
I would suggest from my experience that it is not a small minority of cyclists. The decent ones are the minority. That is my experience. I may just have been unlucky.
Mostly, fair enough - I'd love to see the roads changed the way you suggest, but I can't agree with you about pedestrians.
I've nearly hit pedestrians crossing the road on a couple of occasions where they simply haven't been looking where they are going or listening to my bell (both occasions the lights were green to road traffic).
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Originally posted by Moscow Mule View PostOk, but I'd suggest that to do that you'd have to put a cycle lane on every road in the country - which is obviously impracticable.
You go on to suggest that I would need a licence (as a cyclist) to use the road where there isn't a cycle path - would you extend this to all other road users (pedestrians, horse riders spring to mind immediately, but I'm sure there are other interest groups) ?
You seem to be tarring all cyclists as inconsiderate of other road users. I contend that that isn't the case - it's just a small minority of ignorant people in all groups which seems to cause the friction.
FWIW, I drive and ride a push bike. I like to think I don't fall in the ignorant subset of either group, but that is obviously subjective.
Pedsetrians dont use roads they use footpaths. Yes I would do the same for horse riders and other road users too.
I would suggest from my experience that it is not a small minority of cyclists. The decent ones are the minority. That is my experience. I may just have been unlucky.
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Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View PostWhere did I say I wanted to stop cyclists using the road? I want to provide safe circumstances for all.
You go on to suggest that I would need a licence (as a cyclist) to use the road where there isn't a cycle path - would you extend this to all other road users (pedestrians, horse riders spring to mind immediately, but I'm sure there are other interest groups) ?
Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View PostTypical cyclist attitude on show ther MM. Seem to think that cyclists have the right to do whatever they please and sod everyone else.
FWIW, I drive and ride a push bike. I like to think I don't fall in the ignorant subset of either group, but that is obviously subjective.
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Originally posted by Moscow Mule View PostAre you going to stop horses using the roads too?
Critical Mass:
Go and have a go if you think you're hard enough
Typical cyclist attitude on show ther MM. Seem to think that cyclists have the right to do whatever they please and sod everyone else.
I live in an area where horses are often on the road and generally there is no issue. Unlike cyclists riders tend to allow for the fact that there are other road users.
As a biker I would like to see them forced to clean up if the horse tulips though.
I would ban those pikey trotting buggies though.
edit: If I am around I may pop by.
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Originally posted by The Lone Gunman View PostI think we should have a compromise.
We should build lots of cycle paths.
We should allow serious cyclists to use the roads, but they should be subject to the same rules and restrictions as the rest of us. Pass a test, carry insurance and nominal road tax.
I do not think bikes are a safe mix with either road traffic or pedestrians. The not so serious cyclist is under severe threat on the road and the serious are a threat to pedestrians when not.
Allow accompanied children to cycle on the footpaths.
This tack throwing incident is disgraceful. I do have some sympathy with the residents, but action like this is well beyond reasonable protest. Though if I hear of another critical mass protest I might do similar.
Critical Mass:
The London Mass meets at 6.00pm on the last Friday of every month on the South Bank under Waterloo Bridge, by the National Film Theatre.
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Originally posted by Alf W View PostThere's no point in building cycle lanes as most 'serious' cyclists see themselves as above using such things.
I have no objection to cyclists so long as they stick to the edge of the road and, most definitely, no riding side by side.
Is it 2001 again?
We should build lots of cycle paths.
We should allow serious cyclists to use the roads, but they should be subject to the same rules and restrictions as the rest of us. Pass a test, carry insurance and nominal road tax.
I do not think bikes are a safe mix with either road traffic or pedestrians. The not so serious cyclist is under severe threat on the road and the serious are a threat to pedestrians when not.
Allow accompanied children to cycle on the footpaths.
This tack throwing incident is disgraceful. I do have some sympathy with the residents, but action like this is well beyond reasonable protest. Though if I hear of another critical mass protest I might do similar.
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Originally posted by Alf W View PostThere's no point in building cycle lanes as most 'serious' cyclists see themselves as above using such things.
I have no objection to cyclists so long as they stick to the edge of the road and, most definitely, no riding side by side.
Is it 2001 again?
Secondly, you obviously object to the highway code too - seeing as it's perfectly permissible for cyclists to ride two abreast should conditions permit.
I'll agree it's not a great idea on the A316 (or similar) but there's a cycle path along the side of that road anyway...
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There's no point in building cycle lanes as most 'serious' cyclists see themselves as above using such things.
I have no objection to cyclists so long as they stick to the edge of the road and, most definitely, no riding side by side.
Is it 2001 again?
excuse meLast edited by Alf W; 18 May 2009, 08:47.
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Originally posted by DimPrawn View PostBuild more dedicated cycle tracks. Everyone benefits.
Where will the money come from? Err, how about using some the billions taken in fuel duty, road tax (rising to £400 a year for many cars soon) and showroom taxes.
Cycle paths are not really the issue here.
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Originally posted by Board Game Geek View PostNo smoke without fire and all that perhaps ?
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Build more dedicated cycle tracks. Everyone benefits.
Where will the money come from? Err, how about using some the billions taken in fuel duty, road tax (rising to £400 a year for many cars soon) and showroom taxes.
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