This one should warm things up here - not that that is scary

[ace00]

I think we can safely say the science is settled on this matter. Cough up & move on.

In his Fiscal Year 2010 budget, Obama said he planned to raise $646 billion from 2012 to 2019 in climate revenues by auctioning off emission credits in a system that capped greenhouse gas levels and created a market to buy and sell emission allowances. Treasury officials say the actual revenues could actually double or triple that amount.

[NotAllThere]

But the tundra is not melting! The temperature figures they used to infer the tundra was melting have been shown to be faked.

Sure, but it's still a laff, innit.

[ThomasSoerensen]

But the tundra is not melting! The temperature figures they used to infer the tundra was melting have been shown to be faked.

Shocker.

So you say that Dyson's argument that climate-alarmists are using bad science because they have already written the conclusion of their "observations" before they have the observations is right.

It is a shocker that a highly political issue is impossible to get a grasp on for an outsider because everyone has a cause.

All I know now is that I don't trust anyone on this issue.

[BrilloPad]

Nowt.

It's a potted biography of a genuinely clever scientist who solves problems and thinks with great clarity.

It's an interesting read if science is your thing and you believe in being open minded on scientific issues.

Does he believe in AGW?

What about aliens? Ghosts?

[threaded]

Nice article here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/...-humanity.html that says that the melting of the tundra is releasing vast amounts of methane into the air, thereby increasing global temperatures.

But the tundra is not melting! The temperature figures they used to infer the tundra was melting have been shown to be faked.

[TykeMerc]

Its a long aeticle : can somebody summarize please? Exacgtly what is he saying about vacuum cleaners?

Nowt.

It's a potted biography of a genuinely clever scientist who solves problems and thinks with great clarity.

It's an interesting read if science is your thing and you believe in being open minded on scientific issues.

[BrilloPad]

Its a long aeticle : can somebody summarize please? Exacgtly what is he saying about vacuum cleaners?

[shaunbhoy]

and as Hansen, the scientist he criticises most, says "...he should come back when he's frigged around with his computer models enough to get the results he needs to back up his hypothesis. That is what I always do!!...".

HTH

[NotAllThere]

Nice article here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/...-humanity.html that says that the melting of the tundra is releasing vast amounts of methane into the air, thereby increasing global temperatures.

[PM-Junkie]

MMGW is like the Euro.....if you don't accept doctrine you simply don't know what you are talking about, haven't done your research, and are a heretic.

I have found in life that when people take that sort of position, they usually turn out to be wrong.

[sasguru]

I've read a fair bit of Dyson. Clever man.
He hasn't done any work on climate change, though, and as Hansen, the scientist he criticises most, says "...he should come back when he's done his homework...".

HTH.

[ThomasSoerensen]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/ma...1&pagewanted=1

This one should get the forum going again.

sas, your input is expected.