Reply to: The terrorists' plans for the UK

[threaded]

To work in I.T. means to work in an environment that constantly changes...

[ratewhore]

Thats a big paper written by an academic. I didn't get beyond the first sentence:

In a democratic society, it is the medias’ purpose to provide information upon how political decisions are made and to hold the government to account.

Big bunch of arse. Why would anyone assume the media are correct in what they say? It is doubtful that the reality of many situations as described by the media or the government is an accurate description.

Just accept there are things you can't change and enjoy a peaceful harmonious life...

[BobTheCrate]

No conspiracy theory.

Politicisation.

Importantly not only of the security services. Since '97 it has swept across every single civil service dept, including the Police.

Look at the roll of Alastair Campbell for example. Asside from being a real nasty piece of work, he beautifully demonstrated an unelected politically directed advisory position; who was head (not advisor) of a civil service dept - communications.

One of the king pins of democracy is the political autonomy of a politically impartial civil service. This has already been seriously eroded by the Blair Control Freak machine.

[ratewhore]

fair one - although it smacks of conspiracy theory...

[BobTheCrate]

What do you mean by the politicisation of the security services ?"

In short, whereby the views and direction of the security services are motivated soley by Government needs, not security needs.

How this is manifested ?

By the removal of incumbant civil servant heads considered incompatable with political thinking (correctness). Replaced by appointees whose political direction overrides all other merit.

The political appointment of non-elected advisors to whom civil servants expected to report.

Over time the practice achieves an intimidatory influence over other civil service departments.

How do you know this ?

Within the security services, immediate examples that come to mind ...

Dr David Kelly.

The removal of essential caveats from the WMD dossiere, at the bequest of Downing Street.

Downing St leak : "We chose the right man (Lord Hutton) to chair the Kelly Inquiry".

[threaded]

from the Grauniad: John Scarlett was promoted by Tony Blair to head MI6 though he admitted responsibility for the misleading Iraq weapons dossier when he chaired the joint intelligence committee.

[xoggoth]

Don' give us that ratewhore. You know perfectly well that when anyone acusse the governemnet of anything on this board they must be guilty.

[ratewhore]

[i]Chico I share your admiration for much of our "frontline security services". What I have a big, big problem with, and you really should do aswell; is New Labour's politicisation of the security services, along with every other civil service department.

Can you expand on this, what you mean by the politicisation of the security services, how this is manifested and how you know this?

I thought the security services were crown, not civil servants.

[BobTheCrate]

But don't under estimate the damage New Labour's politicisation of the rest of the civil service has done and will continue to do.

[xoggoth]

Nowt to add to threaded's point - succint and so true.

[threaded]

New Labour's politicisation of the security services

And that is doing far more damage than the terrorists will ever achieve. I would suggest that the New Lies efforts are actually making it easier for the terrorists.

[BobTheCrate]

"...AL-QAEDA terrorists planned to hijack a passenger jet from eastern Europe and fly it into a packed terminal at Heathrow airport ..."

"...helps to resolve the long-standing mystery of why Tony Blair ordered armoured vehicles and hundreds of troops to be sent to Heathrow in 2003."

Agreed Zeity. I wouldn't want to make too much of it but emmm ... what good would armoured vehicles and hundreds of troops do at a terminal about to be hit by a Kamikazi hijacked aircraft ?

Chico I share your admiration for much of our "frontline security services". What I have a big, big problem with, and you really should do aswell; is New Labour's politicisation of the security services, along with every other civil service department.

[Mailman]

You know the funny thing is...these jihadi's are hated by the Iraqi's they are supposedly trying to free and also by the terrorists they are supposedly going to help

Mailman

[~Craig~]

LOL! Yes, does seem a little odd.

Imagine the public surprise if they unloaded a load of Rapier Mk2 weapons systems outside Terminal 1. No-one would fly.

However, that will never happen because we seem to have run out:-

http://www.janes.com/press/pc0200207_1.shtml

As with the gulf war it would probably take a couple of weeks of begging and borrowing from other countries again

[hyperD]

Not quite sure I follow the thinking behind tanks at Heathrow & a hijacked airliner crashing into a terminal... or is it just me?

LOL! Yes, does seem a little odd.

Imagine the public surprise if they unloaded a load of Rapier Mk2 weapons systems outside Terminal 1. No-one would fly.

However, that will never happen because we seem to have run out:-

http://www.janes.com/press/pc0200207_1.shtml